SECRET EMPIRE to WAR of the REALMS

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Re: SECRET EMPIRE to WAR of the REALMS

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Thor 10 begins "Weeks Ago," and shows Odin sending Cul on his covert mission to Svartalfheim in order to discover what Malekith is planning. Thor 9 ended with Cul during his mission to Svartalfheim, as he contacts Odin with intel about Malekith's Black Bifrost.

I believe the "weeks ago" refers to weeks before that final scene in Thor 9. Also, it appears to me that the entirety of Thor 10 is contained within that "weeks ago." In other words, the entire issue takes place out of sequence, before Thor 9, and likely just after Thor 8. There are several references throughout this issue to the events of Infinity Wars, which are mentioned as though they have occured in the very near past.

Also, I see that Col_Fury has placed T5 10 on Father's Day with a query, but apart from the theme of the issue (fathers and sons), i can't find any reference within the text to indicate that this should be set on that day.

I suggest that Thor 10 be moved in the scheme..

INFINITY WARS (Avengers) (Ant-Man returns to Earth)
IWARS ∞
ASGOTG 4 (12-20), 5
MSKRULLS 1-5 [early October]
ANT&WASP2 1-4, 5 (1-18) (Ant-Man back on Earth) [baseball playoffs] [early October]
RUN5 1-10 [middle of school semester]
TSIM 4
T5 8
T5 10
ANT&WASP2 5 (19-20) [“2 weeks later”] [world series] [mid/late October]
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A7 12, T5 9, T5 10-FB
MIMOSM 1-3 (before A7 14)
A7 14-17
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FF5 5 (1 - 42), FFWED2, FF5 5 (43 - 60), 6-9 ["9 days" before WOTR]
T5 10 [Father’s Day?]
DS5 12-17
CA8 6 (Ross dies)
IMMH 9-13 (Ross’ spirit recently in hell)
A:NRH 1-10 (Avengers Legacy #708-717)
Hulkverines! #1-3
CA8 7 (less than a week after CA8 6, Cap learns Ross is dead)
IMMH 14-17, 18 (1 - 2) (Ross’ funeral, so about a week after CA8 6)
T5 11
ASGOTG 6-7
WAR of the REALMS
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Re: SECRET EMPIRE to WAR of the REALMS

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Here's a suggestion - what if we move WX3 15-16 down to just before WX3 17-21 and glue them together with IH2 717 (18-20). That would keep Logan's injuries fresh from his battle with Sabretooth, complying with his situation in WX3 17, and explain why they had to get a Blackbird from Kitty between WX3 16 & WX3 17, the Olympus Group having been put into receivership. OML's claws would have to be put down to an art error, but we've already done that with a few of his other appearances.

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X:G 21-25 (after ICE3 11)
ANW 32
X:B@ 1 / V 162-163 / X:B 21-22 (nu-X-Men in space)
WX3 15-16
V 164-165
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OML2 41-42
WX3 15-16
IH2 717 (18-20) [“3 months” after IH2 717 (1-17)]
WX3 17-21
OML2 43-45 [“a few weeks” since OML2 38]
DS5 1 (11-20) (Strange leaves for space)
HFW:CK 1-4 (after X:B 35, before WX3 22-27, #hotclaws Wolverine)
WH 3-7
IMMH 3
WX3 22-27 (Sabretooth bad again, after HFW:CK)
IH2 717 (18-20) [“3 months” after IH2 717 (1-17)]
DP7 4
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Speaking of WX3 17-21, these issues contain appearances by the Winter Guard. A7 10 starts with the Winter Guard being reinstated, and Ursa Major being held in the Last Gulag. It doesn't seem like there's been enough time elapsed between WX3 17-21 and A7 10 for the Winter Guard to have been disbanded. These issues only came out a couple of months before A7 10, and we don't have more than a month or so of elapsed time between the issues in the chronology as it stands.

The last time we saw Ursa Major, he was a prisoner of the Red Room, where he helped Black Widow escape back in Tales of Suspense, and i suggest that he is being held in the Last Gulag after having being moved from the Red Room facility.

If we allow that A7 10 (1 - 4) is a flashback, we can place this scene prior to the Winter Guard's appearances in WX3 20-21. This would fall during the gap in A7 8 (between pages 14 & 15). In A7 8 (15 - 20), Namor and the Atlanteans are already interfering with shipping, and there's no mention of how long this has been going on, so i don't think it's a problem that the Winter Guard is reinstated at this point in response to an Atlantean attack in the Black Sea.

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OML2 41-42
A7 10-FB
WX3 15-16 (moved in previous post)
IH2 717 (18-20) [“3 months” after IH2 717 (1-17)] (moved in previous post)
WX3 17-21
OML2 43-45 [“a few weeks” since OML2 38]
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I've encountered a few more problems in the timeline as we currently have it. Of particular note is that we have Namor addressing the UN on behalf of mutants and giving shelter to Jean Grey’s group in X:R 1-11 (April 18 - Feb 19) while at the same time he’s declared war on the entire surface world, and has renounced all of his surface world friends over in Avengers and Invaders. The Namor/X-Men Red business needs to be placed either before or after Namor’s holy war against the surface world.

Also we have Rogue and Gambit appearing in ASM5 1 while they're still in space. There are a couple of other issues as well, but the X-Men Red problem is going to require a major reshuffling of some parts of the deck, so i propose to review the entire timeline from Astonishing X-Men 1-12 on down. While i'm at it, i might take a look and see if there's anything else along the way that could be streamlined.

Col_Fury's gonna hate me. Stay tuned for further developments.. :wink:
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Re: SECRET EMPIRE to WAR of the REALMS

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I will circle back to this at some point (hopefully soon!). So keep it up! :thumbsup:

I will say that today's issue of Invaders (#9) has a reference to House of X / Powers of X (by way of Krakoa), so this entire volume is likely after WOTR (and therefore, after the current "Cap's a fugitive again" plot in his own book).
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Thanks for that! I'm pretty sure we can get X-Men Red back before Namor's crusade against the surface, but it means moving a few chunks around. Looks like that will also facilitate getting the Winter Guard's appearance in Weapon X after their reinstatement in Avengers, so that's good. I was working on it most of the day yesterday, and probably will be during whatever time i get free today. Then i've gotta go back thru it all again and make sure it works.

Here's some other material i've worked on recently that i'll be incorporating into the revision.

Immortal Hulk 3 leads directly into IMMH 4. McGee has been investigating a Hulk incident in South Dakota. Langkowski contacts McGee at the end of IMMH 3 and she meets him at an airport in SD in IMMH 4. There shouldn’t be a gap between these two issues.
Col_Fury wrote: Thu Dec 20, 2018 11:51 am IMMH 6-7 (or more likely, IMMH 4-7) references Thunderbolt Ross (he doesn’t appear) which places this issue at least after CA8 2. Bruce hasn’t turned into Hulk since IMMH 5, but there’s no real mention of how long it’s been. Shaman is still doing magic tests on Sasquatch, so a few days maybe?
Actually, Bruce says it’s been two days.
Col_Fury wrote: Thu Dec 20, 2018 11:51 am A character from IMMH 2 shows up, but again, no real mention of how long it’s been. The Avengers appear.

IMMH 8 happens at some later point, but Hulk can’t appear in the meantime. Sasquatch says it’s been “months” since IMMH 1.
The situation on Alpha Flight seems to indicate that not more than a day or two has passed.
Col_Fury wrote: Thu Dec 20, 2018 11:51 am SS:BD 1 (SILVER SURFER: BEST DEFENSE) leads in to where N:BD 1 ends.

N:BD 1 (NAMOR: BEST DEFENSE) spans a week and starts before IMMH:BD 1 and ends at roughly the same time. Most likely after X:R, but I can see this being either before or after A7 10 (Namor is working to bolster Atlantis' strength here, so probably after A7 10?).

DS:BD 1 (DOCTOR STRANGE: BEST DEFENSE) leads in to the situation Hulk finds in IMMH:BD 1. IMMH:BD 1-FB happens shortly after this.

IMMH:BD 1 (IMMORTAL HULK: BEST DEFENSE) has Bruce wearing the same clothes he had in IMMH 8, so shortly after that.

DEF:BD 1 (DEFENDERS: BEST DEFENSE) says that the alternate reality Strange has only been in this world for a few hours. Also, everything gets wrapped up. Pretty good, too!
Agreed!

The sequence between Hulk and Best Defense seems to go like this..

N:BD 1 (1 - 8) [Namor heads to Vodan]
SS:BD 1 (1 - 27) [Surfer investigates the Cosmic Train and rescues Goldie]
N:BD 1 (9 - 28) [Namor on Vodan - a week after he left Atlantis]
SS:BD 1 (28 - 30) [Surfer’s board leaves him]
N:BD 1 (29 - 30) [Surfer’s board rescues Namor]
IMMH 3 [McGee investigates Hulk in SD - contacted by Langkowski]
IMMH 4 [McGee meets Walter at SD airport & they follow Hulk to Minnesota. “Oh Yah, You Betcha!”]
IMMH 5 [Hulk vs Sasquatch]
IMMH 6 [Two days later - Hulk challenged by Avengers]
IMMH 7 [Hulk vs Avengers - Thor injured - Iron Man in Hulkbuster with Motherboard AI (** see below)]
IMMH 8 (1 - 8) [Hulk at Shadow Base - Gamma Flight formed]
DS:BD 1 [Alternate Strange crashes to Earth just before sunset]
IMMH:BD 1-FB [Old man finds Eye of Agamotto after sunset]
IMMH 8 (9 - 20) [Colonel Danvers gave a press conference yesterday evening, announcing the formation of Gamma Flight - Hulk escapes Shadow Base at dawn]
IMMH:BD 1 [Banner enters Happy Trails just past noon]
DEF:BD 1 [Conclusion]
Col_Fury wrote: Thu Dec 20, 2018 11:51 am IMMH 9 has Hulk finally getting to his “home,” where he’s wanted to get to since IMMH 6. Also, last issue was yesterday. IMMH 10 is the same day and ends on a cliffhanger. Also, Absorbing Man mentions that Titania has found a "regular" job, so this is likely after the current WH arc (which has to be after IWARS because of a surprise guest star).
I’m guessing that IMMH 8 couldn’t have been yesterday, since we have it listed further down the scheme. I haven’t read that far down yet.

** Iron Man is still using Motherboard, so TSIM 6-11, where Motherboard is destroyed, must go after IMMH 3-8.
Col_Fury wrote: Sat Jun 08, 2019 9:33 pm TSIM 5 happens in a day and reveals Arno Stark is working for Sunset Bain.

TSIM 6-11 happens in a day and has some guest appearances. Captain America, the Champions (Miles, Ms. Marvel, Viv, Wasp, Ironheart). This is probably before CHMPS3 1 where Ironheart (apparently) leaves the team temporarily. Also, at least TSIM 4 has to go before UWASP2 1 (Tony and Janet start dating in TSIM, they’re already dating in UWASP).

Also, Baintronics celebrates their publicity victory over Stark; “2020 is ours for the taking!” (hee hee!)

TSIM 12, a WOTR tie-in that happens before WOTR 1, says that TSIM 1 was “a few weeks ago.” That won’t hold up.
I suggest we place TSIM 6-11 after IHRT 1, moving it down the list, rather than moving Immortal Hulk and Best Defense up the list.

Also, i would place TSIM 4 a bit earlier, not too long after TSIM 3. It still seems pretty summery, but Bethany refers to TSIM 2 as having been “last month,” so this would be early-mid September. A week passes between pages 2 & 3, and i would suggest making the placement either side of PPSSM 310.

TSIM 3
X:BLK-M
MG&DDINO 32-36 (Thunderball replaced in Wrecking Crew)
MSM4 23-24 [mid/late-August]
TSIM 4 (1 - 2)
PPSSM 310
TSIM 4 (3 - 20)
MSM4 25-28 [early/mid-September]

Looks like i'll be splitting A7 10 between pages 40 & 41. It seems like A7 11 (Feb 19) should be placed after CA8 2-5 (Sept 18 - Jan 19). A7 11 mentions that Cap is already on the out with Ross and the US govt, also seemingly placing this after CA 8 2-5.

Also there’s a flashback in A7 11 (Squadron Supreme repelling Defenders of the Deep “three days ago”) to be placed prior to A7 11.

More to come...
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Here we go.. I’ve highlighted in red the issues that i’ve moved.

Firstly, in order to get Winter Guard’s appearance in Weapon X 20-21 after their reinstatement in Avengers 8-10, i’ve had to juggle some Old Man Logan issues, so i’ve taken the opportunity to sort some of this section more in line with publication dates where possible.

Moved up with these Old Man Logans are ASM 797-801 and DD 598-605 and the issues that are tied to them.

Mid-August (Marvel time) titles have been brought up the list, extending the action thru August somewhat. I’ve done this to allow for ASM5 1 to include appearances by Rogue and Gambit before they head into space.

I’ve streamlined Infinity Countdown and moved WH 1-2 and MK 194 more in line with their publication dates. Some of the early issues of TS:Iron Man’s and Immortal Hulk’s have also been moved up a little to reflect their publication dates.

The next major section to be moved contains X:B 36, X:G 36, Rogue & Gambit’s return to Earth in time to appear in X-Men: Red, all 11 issues of which i’ve kept together, prior to the Winter Guard appearances in Avengers and Weapon X. This allows for Namor’s appearances in X:R 1-11 to occur prior to his crusade against the surface world.

As a result of this arrangement, i was able to streamline some of the Hunt for Wolverine series, bring Dead Ends up closer to the rest of the series, and keep most of the X-Men: Black issues together.

Winter Soldier 1-5 has been moved up the list to the summer, where it’s set, and where it fits nicely with publication dates.

I’ve split off A7 10 (41 - 50) from the rest of the issue, keeping this section after ICDWN 5, placed Thor 10 after Thor 8, reshuffled Avengers 11 and Iron Man 5, and moved Superior Spider-Man 1-6 up to the end of the semester, where it’s set.


I’ve swapped over XFOR5 1-6 (after UX@5 1, UX5 10) and
W:IW 1-5 (shortly after X-Men die, after FF5 4, IWARS ∞) simply based on publication dates, and it seemed to work better that way around.

The sequence involving UX 11-15, Mr & Mrs X 7-12, and Captain Marvel 1-5 ahs been placed before Avengers 14, as i discussed in a previous post.

I haven’t yet had a chance to read Weapon H 8-12, but Col_Fury’s notes place it either before or after Immortal Hulk 8. I’ve placed it in both positions for now, and attached IMMH 3 to 4-8 as discussed in a previous post.

IMMH 9-13 has been moved to after Hulkverines, but that’s based on publication dates more than anything else.

ASM 14-23 has been moved down to the summer break where it’s set. ASM 24-25 begin after the summer break, and should probably go after WOTR. I moved Dr Strange 12-17 a bit further down the list based solely on publication dates.

I’ve probably overlooked something - i usually do, but i’ve gone over it a few times and it seems to work. I have copious note, so feel free to quiz me.

Col_Fury’s done an amazing job getting most of this list mapped out pretty much on his own for the majority of the second half of this chronology, and i’m just following along and trying to iron out the wrinkles, which wouldn’t even be possible if Fury hadn’t already mapped it out for me to follow.

I haven’t finished reading thru all of these issues yet either, so there may still be more little gems of uncertainty to unearth…



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X:B@ 1 / V 162-163 / X:B 21-22 (nu-X-Men in space)
WX3 15-16
V 164-165
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ASTONX4 1-12 (after BB 8 & X:B 35, before OML2 31, after MULTM 1-5)
OML2 31-33 (OML gets bone claws)
PPSSM@2 1 (after V 165, before MSM4 34 for Shocker, Strange in blue cloak)
USQG2 31
OML2 34-35 (a week or so after OML 33)
RG&GAM 1-5
OML2 41-FB
OML2 36-38 (before DD 598)
ASM 797-801
FCBD2018:ASM (1-9:2)
ASM5 1 (4:3)-FB
FCBD2018:ASM (9:3)
ASM5 1 (4:4)-FB
FCBD2018:ASM (9:3)
SENTRY3 3-FB (Strange doesn't appear, but has powers)
DD 598-605 (Black Cat crimelord, after DEF 6) (Purple Man still alive) [“about a month” since DD 595 (1-5)]
BB 8 (18 - 20), 9 (1 - 8) (Titania learns about Absorbing Man)
DEF5 6 (18 - 20), 7-9
BB 9 (9 - 20), 10 (1 - 8) (Captain America (Steve) & Unworthy Thor appear)
INHS:JD (1-13)
BB 10 (9-10)
INHS:JD (14-26) ~ BB 10 (11-14)
INHS:JD (27-30)
BB 10 (15-20), 11-12 (Absorbing Man returns)
OML2 39-40

X:WED, X:G 26 (1-15), X:WED /2, X:G 26 (16-20), X:G 27-29, X:WED /3 (after RG&GAM & DS:DAMN)
X:G 30 (1-28) ("Phoenix" Wolverine appears)
MR&MRSX 1 (4-10)-FB
X:G 30 (29-30)
MR&MRSX 1 (1-11)
X:G 31-32 (Psylocke Asian)
HFW:MM 1-4 (Psylocke no longer Asian)
USQG2 32-35 [mid-August]
PPSSM 308-309 (after M/2IO 10) (before ASM5 1)
USQG2 36-40
ASM5 1 (1-30), ASM5 2-FB-FB, ASM5 1 (31-40), ASM5 2-FB, ASM5 1 (41-42), ASM5 2, 3-FB, 3-4 (Avengers) [mid-August]
USQG2 41 (during ASM5 1-5)
ASM5 5

X:G 33-35 (Rogue & Gambit already in space)
MR&MRSX 1 (12-20), 2-4, 5 (1-18) (before DDP 300)
GOTG 146-150
ICDWN:AWLOCK 1
SH 161-FB, 160-FB, SH 159-162 (She-Hulk goes back to green)
ICDWN 1-5-FBs
IH2 713 (18-21) & IH2 714-717 (1-17) (Cho & Unworthy Thor return, Alpha Flight & Capt. Marvel, Spider-Miles) (Cho powered down)
IMMH 5-FB
DDP 297-300 (Mighty Thor appears) (Vision appears, but easily malfunctions)
T 702-706 (no more Mighty Thor, Strange still a vet)
MT:GATES
ICDWNP 1 (Loki appears)
SH 163
LJAW 1-4
WH 1-2 (Strange bearded, red cloak)
MK 194
ICDWN:CM 1 (after CM6 129)
ICDWN:DD 1
ICDWN 1-4 (Groot back to normal size)
CA8 5-FB

FCBD2018:A/CA /2
CA8 1
HFW:AA 1-4 (before X:R 1-FB, before A7 1?)
IMMH 1
DP:ASSN 1-6 (1 - 18) (after DDP 300)
T5 1-2, 3-FB, THANOSLEG (8-9)-FB, T5 3-4
V:FH 1-5
FCBD2018:A/CA (1-10:1), A7 1-6, FCBD2018:A/CA (10:2), 8-FB (Strange bearded, blue cloak) (Avengers form, Loki goes missing)
V4 1-6, 7-FB (same time as A7 1-6)
A7 8 (1 - 12), A7 12-FB
M/CP3 2/3
DP:ASSN 6 (19 - 20) (Wade healed)
DP7 1-3 (Avengers w/bearded Strange appear, Sam-as-Nova appears, normal size Groot appears)
DS 390 (Strange shaves beard, no longer a vet) [“less than 2 weeks” after DS:DAMN]
JJ 12 (9-20), 13-17 (Purple Man dies)
DEF5 10 (no beard Strange, blue cloak)
DS5 1 (1-10) (Strange loses powers)
LC 170
JJ 18 (Thing appears)
EX4 1-12
BRSCRS 18-25 (after THANOSLEG (8-9)-FB & DS5 1 (1-10))
HFW:WL 1-4 (#hotclaws Wolverine in -FB)
MK 195-196
TSIM 1
IMMH 2

WKNDFVR:ASM 1, WKNDFVY:X 1, WKNDFVR:A 1 (no beard Nightcrawler, green She-Hulk w/Avengers, no Strange)
V@ 1 (after DEF5 10)
SENTRY3 1-5 (Avengers, no Strange)
MG&DDINO 31
TSIM 2
ASTONX@2 1
SM@ 1
C&DP@ 1
TSIM 3
X:B 36
X:G 36 [a month or so after X:G 35]
MR&MRSX 5 (19-20) (Rogue & Gambit back on Earth)
X:R 1-FB, X:R 2-3, X:R 4 (1-13), X:R 1 (no beard Nightcrawler, Gambit appears)
X:R 4 (14-20), X:R 5-11 (bearded Nightcrawler, Gambit appears) (Avengers, no Strange) (Captain Marvel appears w/Avengers)
A7 8 (13-20), 9-10 (1 - 40) (Winter Guard reinstated)
WX3 15-16
IH2 717 (18-20) [“3 months” after IH2 717 (1-17)]
WX3 17-21 (Winter Guard appears)
DS5 1 (11-20) (Strange leaves for space)

OML2 41-45 [“a few weeks” since OML2 38]
HFW:CK 1-4 (after X:B 35, before WX3 22-27, #hotclaws Wolverine)
HFW:DE 1 (bearded Nightcrawler, #hotclaws Wolverine)
WH 3-7
DP7 4
X:BLK-MGNT
X:BLK-MOJO
X:BLK-MSTQ
X:BLK-JUG

WX3 22-27 (Sabretooth bad again, after HFW:CK)
V4 7-FB, V4 8, WOV:CRNGB 1, WOV:VU 1, V4 9-12
WSOL2 1-5 [Summer]
MG&DDINO 32-36 (Thunderball replaced in Wrecking Crew)
MSM4 23-24 [mid/late-August]
TSIM 4 (1 - 2)
PPSSM 310
TSIM 4 (3 - 20) [late Summer]
MSM4 25-28 [early/mid-September]
M/R 0
MSM4 29-31[mid-September]
M/R:A
M/R:SQG/MSM, M/R:SQG/MSM /2, M/R:MSM/SQG, M/R:MSM/SQG /2, M/R:O (1-28)
MSM4 32-35
DS5 2
DD 606-608 (after HFW:WL)
P12 1-5, 6xxx [mid/late September] (no Punisher until P12 6)
M/R:O (29-30)
DS5 3
ICDWN:DHAWK 1-4
ICDWN:CHMPS 1-2 (Sam stops being Nova)
ASM5 6-7
FF6 1-4 (FF return) ("Phoenix" Wolverine appears)
M/2IO 11-12
DS5 4-6, 7 (1-14) (Strange returns from space)
ASM5 8-10 (Strange appears w/Kanna) (Mr. Fantastic appears)
DS5 7 (15-20), 8 (Kanna leaves Strange)
ICDWN:BW 1 (Strange in New York)
ICDWN 5
A7 10 (41 - 50) (Loki returns, refers to ICDWNP 1) ("Phoenix" Wolverine leaves)
CGR 1-5
IWARSP 1
THANOSLEG
INFINITY WARS (Avengers) (Ant-Man returns to Earth)
IWARS ∞
ASGOTG 4 (12-20), 5
MSKRULLS 1-5 [early October]
ANT&WASP2 1-4, 5 (1-18) (Ant-Man back on Earth) [baseball playoffs] [early October]
RUN5 1-10 [middle of school semester]
T5 8, 10
ANT&WASP2 5 (19-20) [“2 weeks later”] [world series] [mid/late October]
WCA3 1 (2-11)-FB
MK 197-200
CA8 2-5 [mid/late October]
A7 11
TSIM 5

DOINHS 1-5
WCA3 1 (12-15)-FB
DP7 5 [Halloween]
BPV.DP 1-5
RUN5 11
SPIDER-GEDDON
MIMOSM 1-FB-FB
SGWEN:GS 4
DP7 6 (FF & Doctor Strange appear)
LOCM 1 (1 - 20) (no Captain Marvel appearances until this mini ends)
BP7 12 (12:4-14:3)-FB
SHURI 1 (1-3) (T’Challa goes missing)
BP7 12 (15:3-17)-FB
DOMINO@ 1 (after WX3 22?) (bearded Nightcrawler, Cable appears)
WCA3 1 (16-17)-FB
X-23v4 1-5
SHURI 1 (4-20), 2-4, 5 (1-17) (normal size Groot, Rocket Raccoon, Storm appear) [2 weeks after 1 (1-3)]
BORDER 1-5
SHURI 6-7 (Miles, Ms. Marvel appear) [lasts a week, during a school semester]
WCA3 1 (18)-FB, WCA3 1 (19-20)-FB, WCA3 2-3-FBs, WCA3 4 (1-16), WCA3 1-3, WCA3 4 (17-18)
WCA3 5 (1:1-1:5)-FB (Namor throwing a fit)
SEASBTGS (Cable appears) (Dr. Doom appears) [late November]
ICE4 1-2
X:BLK-EFROST (bearded Nightcrawler, Rogue appears so before MR&MRSX 6)
ICE4 3-5
DOMINO3 7-10
SHURI 5 (18-20) [2 weeks after 5 (1-17)]
SHURI 8-10 (Storm appears)
MAJX 1-6
EXTRMNTN 1-5 (Cable dies) ("Searebro" still in Atlantis, destroyed)
X:EXTRNTD 1
BP7 1-13??? (Storm appears) (T’Challa eventually returns)
NM:DS 3-6 (after EXTRMNTN, before ASTONX4 13-17)
ASTONX4 13-17 (after HFW:DE, EXTRMNTN, NM:DS, before ROW, MR&MRSX 6), UX5 (2)-FB
ROW 1-5 ("Searebro" gone, back to using Cerebro) (#hotclaws Wolverine back in action)
MSM4 36
TYPHOIDF:SM, TYPHOIDF:X, TYPHOIDF:IF
WCA3 4 (19-20)
MSM4 37
MERRYX HSPEC (Cable’s already dead, Arcade appears, Jubilee missing) (#hotclaws Wolverine in costume) [all thru December]
X-23v4 6 (after ASONX4 17) [near end of school semester]
MSM4 38
WOV:CCRNG 1
RUN5 12-14 [mid-December]
ASM5 11-13 (Arcade appears) [mid/late-December]
SUSM2 1-6 (end of semester)
MERRYX HSPEC (Arcade defeated, Jubilee back) [all thru December]
DP7 7 (Santa’s missing) [December 25]
RUN5 15-19
MG&DDINO 37 (Santa’s back, Jubilee appears) [late December]
X-23v4 7-10
UX:WEND 1
OML2 46-47
MR&MRSX 6 (1 - 19) (Rogue & Gambit vanish)
BW9 1-5 [New Year’s Eve]
SRSTAR 1-5 (after NM:DS 3-6, before XFOR5 1)
DP7 8
OML2 48-50, DML 1-12 (old man leaves, #hotclaws Wolverine appears, before UX5 1)
FNSM2 1/2, 1-5 (before ASM5 14) [January]
LOCM 1 (21 - 30), 4-5 (Captain Marvel's been out of public eye for 9 months (!))
X-23v4 11-12
???CGRDM/H 1-6???
GOTG5 1-6
DOMINO:HS 1-5
UX5 19 (3 - 8)-FB, UX5 1-9, UX@5 1, UX5 10 (1 - 27), UX5 19 (9 - 10)-FB (X-Men "die") (Captain Marvel appears by herself in space)
AOXM:O 1-FB
XFOR5 1-6 (after UX@5 1, UX5 10)
W:IW 1-5 (shortly after X-Men die, after FF5 4, IWARS ∞)
UX5 19 (11 - 13)-FB
CHMPS2 22-23, 26-FB (Vision repaired) (Miles recovering) (Sam no longer Nova)
CHMPS2 24 [early-to-mid January]
CHMPS2 25-27 (after ANT&WASP2 1-5, DP7 4)
CHMPS@ 1
MIMOSM 1-FB (new school semester)
???MMSM 1-5 (new school semester)
RUN5 20-22 (new school semester)
XFOR5 7-10
DP7 9 (Daredevil appears) [Valentine's]
M/K20TH 1-6 (lasts a month?)
DD 609-612 (Daredevil "dies")
MWF 1-xxx (Daredevil in hospital)
UX5 10 (28 - 30), UX5 19 (14 - 18)-FB, UX5 11-12, 19 (19)-FB, 13-14, 15 (1 - 16) (weeks since UX5 10 (1 - 27))
MR&MRSX 6 (20), 7-9, 10 (1 - 16) (after UX5 11)
CM9 1 (1 - 29), 2, 3 (1 - 13), 1 (30)
MR&MRSX 10 (17 - 20)
CM9 3 (14 - 20), 4, 5 (1 - 20)
MR&MRSX 11-12
CM9 5 (21 - 22)
UX5 15 (17 - 21)

DS5 9-11
CM:B&M 1
A7 12, T5 9, T5 10-FB
MIMOSM 1-3 (before A7 14)
A7 14-17
USQG2 42
M/CP3 3/3
WCA3 5 (1:6-20)-FB, WCA3 6-7, WCA3 5, WCA3 8-FB, WCA3 8-10
ZIGGY PIG SILLY SEAL COMICS v2 #1 (Doctor Doom appears)
M/CP3 5/3
MIMOSM 4
DP7 10-12
M/TU4 1-3
FNSM2 6
M/CP3 6/3
M/R 1-5
SGWEN:GS 5-10
P12 13-??? (likely after WOTR)
WH 8-12 (after IWARS) (Before or after IMMH 3-8?)
N:BD 1 (1 - 8)
SS:BD 1 (1 - 27)
N:BD 1 (9 - 28)
SS:BD 1 (28 - 30)
N:BD 1 (29 - 30)
IMMH 3-8 (1 - 8) (after WH 12?) (Iron Man still using Motherboard)

DS:BD 1
IMMH:BD 1-FB
IMMH 3-8 (9 - 20)

IMMH:BD 1
DEF:BD 1
WOTR:WS 2/3-FB ["a few weeks" before WOTR]
IHRT 1
WH 8-12 (after IWARS) (Before or after IMMH 3-8?)
TSIM 6-11 (Motherboard destroyed)
MWF 5 (13 - 19) (Daredevil recovers)

CHMPS3 1-2 (Wasp appears)
UWASP2 1-7 (Nova appears) (beforeA:NRH)
CHMPS3 3-4 (8-ish days between CHMPS3 2-3) (Nova leaves, no Wasp)
UWASP2 8-10 (2 weeks after UWASP2 1)
IHRT 2-3
MG&DDINO 38-41 [a few days before summer vacation]
IHRT 4-5
MG&DDINO 42
ASM5 25/2
FF5 5 (1 - 42), FFWED2, FF5 5 (43 - 60), 6-9 ["9 days" before WOTR]
IMMH 9-FB
CA8 6 (Ross dies)
A:NRH 1-10 (Avengers Legacy #708-717)
Hulkverines! #1-3
IMMH 9-13 (Ross’ spirit recently in hell)
CA8 7 (less than a week after CA8 6, Cap learns Ross is dead)
ASM5 14-18, 18.HU, 19, 19.HU, 20, 20.HU, 21-23 (Captain Marvel appears w/Avengers) (before P12 6) (between school semesters)
P12 6xxx, 7-12 (at least 3 months since P12 1-6)

IMMH 14-17, 18 (1 - 2) (Ross’ funeral, so about a week after CA8 6)
DS5 12-17
TSIM 12

T5 11
ASGOTG 6-7
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Yep - i've dropped a clanger. *doh*

ASM 1 can't be moved back to before Rogue and Gambit go into space, so they will have to return to Earth much earlier to appear in that issue. Will get back onto it tomorrow. :oops:
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Two quick notes:

In T5 10, Loki mentions that he's never celebrated "Father's Day" before (Laufey was upset that someone left him flowers).

ASM5 14 has Arcade based out of Bagalia, and so has to happen at some point before P12 7, where Punisher drives Baron Zemo out of Bagalia and effectively topples the government.
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Thanks for that. I haven't had a chance to get back to this today. Hopefully tomorrow i'll get a free day.

I missed that Father's Day reference in T5 10, but i don't think it's gonna wash. I think i moved P12 7 with ASM 5 14, but i'll check again tomorrow.
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Col_Fury wrote: Fri Sep 13, 2019 6:35 pm In T5 10, Loki mentions that he's never celebrated "Father's Day" before (Laufey was upset that someone left him flowers).
Okay, i see what's going on. This is in the T5 12-FB, not T5 10, and is a completely different incident. You're just trying to confuse me. Guess what, it worked! :-P

I've read T5 8-10 over again and i stand by my belief that the whole of T5 10 occurs "weeks ago." Thor 10 begins "Weeks Ago," and shows Odin sending Cul on his covert mission to Svartalfheim in order to discover what Malekith is planning. Thor 9 ends with Cul during his mission to Svartalfheim, as he contacts Odin with intel about Malekith's Black Bifrost. Also, in T5 8, Odin calls for mead and begins forging hammers alongside Screwbeard. In T5 10, Screwbeard is drunk from too much mead, and Odin has just finished forging his hammer. Again also, although there's a "Weeks Ago" box, there's no "Now" box.

Here's a revised revision (hic!) that only moves the issues that need to be moved in order to fix a number of problems. There's still quite a lot of them. I still think it's possible in retrospect to streamline Infinity Countdown, Hunt for Wolverine, and X-Men Black, but i haven't done so here this time. The new placements are in Dark Blue, and the original placements are in Red.


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X:B@ 1 / V 162-163 / X:B 21-22 (nu-X-Men in space)
WX3 15-16
V 164-165
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ASTONX4 1-12 (after BB 8 & X:B 35, before OML2 31, after MULTM 1-5)
OML2 31-33 (Logan in Japan, gets bone claws, dropped off in Japan after ASTONX4 1-12?)
PPSSM@2 1 (after V 165, before MSM4 34 for Shocker, Strange in blue cloak)
USQG2 31
OML2 34-35 (Logan in Madripoor, a week or so after OML 33)
RG&GAM 1-5
OML2 41-FB
OML2 36-40 (Logan in NYC, Fisk’s war on vigilantes, before DD 598, Logan hasn’t been to the Xavier Institute in a while, seems to be before X:WED)
X:WED, X:G 26 (1-15), X:WED /2, X:G 26 (16-20), X:G 27-29, X:WED /3 (after RG&GAM & DS:DAMN)
X:G 30 (1-28) ("Phoenix" Wolverine appears)
MR&MRSX 1 (4-10)-FB
X:G 30 (29-30)
MR&MRSX 1 (1-11)
X:G 31-32 (Psylocke Asian)
HFW:MM 1-4 (Psylocke no longer Asian)
X:G 33-35 (Rogue & Gambit already in space)
MR&MRSX 1 (12-20), 2-4, 5 (1-18) (Wade still has his memories, so before DDP 300)
GOTG 146-150
ICDWN:AWLOCK 1
SH 161-FB, 160-FB, SH 159-162 (She-Hulk goes back to green)
ICDWN 1-5-FBs
IH2 713 (18-21) & IH2 714-717 (1-17) (Cho & Unworthy Thor return, Alpha Flight & Capt. Marvel, Spider-Miles) (Cho powered down)
IMMH 5-FB
DDP 297-300 (1 - 58) (Mighty Thor appears) (Vision appears, but easily malfunctions)
T 702-706 (no more Mighty Thor, Strange still a vet)
MT:GATES
ICDWNP 1 (Loki appears)
SH 163
LJAW 1-4
DDP 300 (59 - 63) (Wade sent to asylum, but escapes two days later)
CA8 5-FB

FCBD2018:A/CA /2
CA8 1
ASM 797-801
WH 1-2 (Strange bearded, red cloak)
HFW:AA 1-4 (before X:R 1-FB, before A7 1?)
IMMH 1
DP:ASSN 1-6 (1 - 18) (after DDP 300)
MK 194
T5 1-2, 3-FB, THANOSLEG (8-9)-FB, T5 3-4
ICDWN:CM 1 (after CM6 129)
OML2 31-35
FCBD2018:ASM (1-9:2)
ASM5 1 (4:3)-FB
FCBD2018:ASM (9:3)
ASM5 1 (4:4)-FB
FCBD2018:ASM (9:3)
OML2 41-FB
OML2 36-38 (Logan in NYC, Fisk’s war on vigilantes, before DD 598)

DP:ASSN 6 (19 - 20) (Wade healed)
SENTRY3 3-FB (Strange doesn't appear, but has powers)
DD 598-605 (Black Cat crimelord, after DEF 6) (Purple Man still alive) [“about a month” since DD 595 (1-5)]
BB 8 (18 - 20), 9 (1 - 8) (Titania learns about Absorbing Man)
DEF5 6 (18 - 20), 7-9 (Deadpool appears)
BB 9 (9 - 20), 10 (1 - 8) (Captain America (Steve) & Unworthy Thor appear)
INHS:JD (1-13)
BB 10 (9-10)
INHS:JD (14-26) ~ BB 10 (11-14)
INHS:JD (27-30)
BB 10 (15-20), 11-12 (Absorbing Man returns)
ICDWN:DD 1
V:FH 1-5
ICDWN 1-4 (Groot back to normal size)
FCBD2018:A/CA (1-10:1), A7 1-6, FCBD2018:A/CA (10:2), 8-FB (Strange bearded, blue cloak) (Avengers form, Loki goes missing)
V4 1-6, 7-FB (same time as A7 1-6)
A7 8 (1-14), A7 12-FB
M/CP3 2/3
DP7 1-3 (Avengers w/bearded Strange appear, Sam-as-Nova appears, normal size Groot appears)
DS 390 (Strange shaves beard, no longer a vet) [“less than 2 weeks” after DS:DAMN]
JJ 12 (9-20), 13-17 (Purple Man dies)
DEF5 10 (no beard Strange, blue cloak, Deadpool appears)
DS5 1 (1-10) (Strange loses powers)
LC 170
JJ 18 (Thing appears)
EX4 1-12
BRSCRS 18-25 (after THANOSLEG (8-9)-FB & DS5 1 (1-10))
HFW:WL 1-4 (#hotclaws Wolverine in -FB)
MK 195-196
WKNDFVR:ASM 1, WKNDFVY:X 1, WKNDFVR:A 1 (no beard Nightcrawler, green She-Hulk w/Avengers, no Strange)
V@ 1 (after DEF5 10)
OML2 39-40
SENTRY3 1-5 (Avengers, no Strange)
IMMH 2
MG&DDINO 31
OML2 41-42
DS5 1 (11-20) (Strange leaves for space)
HFW:CK 1-4 (after X:B 35, before WX3 22-27, #hotclaws Wolverine)
WH 3-7
IMMH 3
WX3 22-27 (Sabretooth bad again, after HFW:CK)

IH2 717 (18-20) [“3 months” after IH2 717 (1-17)]
DP7 4
TSIM 1
ASTONX@2 1
SM@ 1
C&DP@ 1
TSIM 2
V4 7-FB, V4 8, WOV:CRNGB 1, WOV:VU 1, V4 9-12
MR&MRSX 5 (19-20) (Rogue & Gambit back on Earth)
USQG2 32-35 [mid-August]
PPSSM 308-309 (after M/2IO 10) (before ASM5 1)
USQG2 36-40
ASM5 1 (1-30), ASM5 2-FB-FB, ASM5 1 (31-40), ASM5 2-FB, ASM5 1 (41-42), ASM5 2, 3-FB, 3-4 (Avengers, Rogue & Gambit appear) [mid-August]
USQG2 41 (during ASM5 1-5)
ASM5 5
TSIM 3
X:BLK-M
MG&DDINO 32-36 (Thunderball replaced in Wrecking Crew)
MSM4 23-24 [mid/late-August]
TSIM 4 (1 - 2)
PPSSM 310
TSIM 4 (3 - 20) (Summer)
MSM4 25-28 [early/mid-September]
M/R 0
MSM4 29-31[mid-September]
M/R:A
M/R:SQG/MSM, M/R:SQG/MSM /2, M/R:MSM/SQG, M/R:MSM/SQG /2, M/R:O (1-28)
WSOL2 1-5 (Summer)
MSM4 32-35
DS5 2
DD 606-608 (after HFW:WL)
X:BLK-MOJO
X:B 36
X:G 36 [a month or so after X:G 35] (Kitty reconciles with Colossus, who’s still bearded)
X:R 1-FB, X:R 2-3, X:R 4 (1-13), X:R 1 (Nightcrawler begins growing beard, Colossus clean-shaven, Gambit appears)
M/R:O (29-30)
DS5 3
ICDWN:DHAWK 1-4
ICDWN:CHMPS 1-2 (Sam stops being Nova)
ASM5 6-7
FF6 1-4 (FF return) ("Phoenix" Wolverine appears)
M/2IO 11-12
X:BLK-MSTQ
DS5 4-6, 7 (1-14) (Strange returns from space)
ASM5 8-10 (Strange appears w/Kanna) (Mr. Fantastic appears)
DS5 7 (15-20), 8 (Kanna leaves Strange)
X:R 4 (14-20), X:R 5-10 (1 - 8) (bearded Nightcrawler, clean-shaven Colossus, Gambit appears)
P12 1-5, 6xxx [UN in session, mid/late September] (no Punisher until P12 6)
X:R 10 (9 - 20), 11 (bearded Nightcrawler, clean-shaven Colossus, Gambit appears) (Avengers, no Strange) (Captain Marvel appears w/Avengers, before A7 10, a month after X:R 4 (1-13), UN in session, mid/late September)
ICDWN:BW 1 (Strange in New York)
ICDWN 5
A7 8 (15-20), 9-10 (Ursa Major released from Last Gulag, Winter Guard reinstated) (Loki returns, refers to ICDWNP 1) ("Phoenix" Wolverine leaves)
WX3 15-21 (Winter Guard appears)
OML2 41-45 [“a few weeks” since OML2 38]
WX3 22-27 (Sabretooth bad again, after HFW:CK)

HFW:DE 1 (bearded Nightcrawler, clean-shaven Colossus, #hotclaws Wolverine)
DOMINO@ 1 (after WX3 22?) (bearded Nightcrawler, Cable appears)

CGR 1-5
IWARSP 1
THANOSLEG
INFINITY WARS (Avengers) (Ant-Man returns to Earth)
IWARS ∞
ASGOTG 4 (12-20), 5
MSKRULLS 1-5 [early October]
ANT&WASP2 1-4, 5 (1-18) (Ant-Man back on Earth) [baseball playoffs] [early October]
RUN5 1-10 [middle of school semester]
TSIM 4
T5 8-FB (“Two Days Ago” Odin calls for mead and begins forging a hammer alongside Screwbeard)
T5 8, 10 (“Weeks ago,” Odin sends Cul to Svartalfheim; Screwbeard is drunk on mead, Odin has finished his hammer)

ANT&WASP2 5 (19-20) [“2 weeks later”] [world series] [mid/late October]
MR&MRSX 5 (19-20) (Rogue & Gambit back on Earth)
A7 11-FB (“Three days ago”)
A7 11
WCA3 1 (2-11)-FB
X:R 1-FB, X:R 2-3, X:R 4 (1-13), X:R 1 (no beard Nightcrawler, Gambit appears)
X:BLK-JUG
MK 197-200
CA8 2-5 [mid/late October]
DOINHS 1-5
WCA3 1 (12-15)-FB
DP7 5 [Halloween]
BPV.DP 1-5
RUN5 11
TSIM 5
SPIDER-GEDDON
MIMOSM 1-FB-FB
SGWEN:GS 4
WH 8-12 (after IWARS)
DP7 6 (FF & Doctor Strange appear)
X:R 4 (14-20), X:R 5-11 (bearded Nightcrawler, Gambit appears) (Avengers, no Strange) (Captain Marvel appears w/Avengers)
LOCM 1 (1 - 20) (no Captain Marvel appearances until this mini ends)
BP7 12 (12:4-14:3)-FB
SHURI 1 (1-3) (T’Challa goes missing)
BP7 12 (15:3-17)-FB
HFW:DE 1 (bearded Nightcrawler, clean-shaven Colossus, #hotclaws Wolverine)
DOMINO@ 1 (after WX3 22?) (bearded Nightcrawler, Cable appears)

WCA3 1 (16-17)-FB
X-23v4 1-5
SHURI 1 (4-20), 2-4, 5 (1-17) (normal size Groot, Rocket Raccoon, Storm appear) [2 weeks after 1 (1-3)]
BORDER 1-5
SHURI 6-7 (Miles, Ms. Marvel appear) [lasts a week, during a school semester]
WCA3 1 (18)-FB, WCA3 1 (19-20)-FB, WCA3 2-3-FBs, WCA3 4 (1-16), WCA3 1-3, WCA3 4 (17-18)
WCA3 5 (1:1-1:5)-FB (Namor throwing a fit)
SEASBTGS (Cable appears) (Dr. Doom appears) [late November]
ICE4 1-2
X:BLK-EFROST (bearded Nightcrawler, Rogue appears so before MR&MRSX 6)
ICE4 3-5
DOMINO3 7-10
SHURI 5 (18-20) [2 weeks after 5 (1-17)]
SHURI 8-10 (Storm appears)
MAJX 1-6
EXTRMNTN 1-5 (Cable dies) ("Searebro" still in Atlantis, destroyed)
X:EXTRNTD 1
BP7 1-13??? (Storm appears) (T’Challa eventually returns)
NM:DS 3-6 (after EXTRMNTN, before ASTONX4 13-17)
ASTONX4 13-17 (after HFW:DE, EXTRMNTN, NM:DS, before ROW, MR&MRSX 6), UX5 (2)-FB
ROW 1-5 ("Searebro" gone, back to using Cerebro) (#hotclaws Wolverine back in action)
MSM4 36
TYPHOIDF:SM, TYPHOIDF:X, TYPHOIDF:IF
WCA3 4 (19-20)
MSM4 37
MERRYX HSPEC (Cable’s already dead, Arcade appears, Jubilee missing) (#hotclaws Wolverine in costume) [all thru December]
X-23v4 6 (after ASONX4 17) [near end of school semester]
SUSM2 1-6 (end of semester)
MSM4 38
WOV:CCRNG 1
RUN5 12-14 [mid-December]
ASM5 11-13 (Arcade appears) [mid/late-December]
MERRYX HSPEC (Arcade defeated, Jubilee back) [all thru December]
DP7 7 (Santa’s missing) [December 25]
RUN5 15-19
MG&DDINO 37 (Santa’s back, Jubilee appears) [late December]
X-23v4 7-10
UX:WEND 1
OML2 46-47
MR&MRSX 6 (1 - 19) (the party)
BW9 1-5 [New Year’s Eve]
SRSTAR 1-5 (after NM:DS 3-6, before XFOR5 1)
DP7 8
OML2 48-50, DML 1-12 (old man leaves, #hotclaws Wolverine appears, before UX5 1)
FNSM2 1/2, 1-5 (before ASM5 14) [January]
LOCM 1 (21 - 30), 4-5 (Captain Marvel's been out of public eye for 9 months (!))
X-23v4 11-12
???CGRDM/H 1-6???
GOTG5 1-6
DOMINO:HS 1-5
UX5 19 (3 - 8)-FB, UX5 1-9, UX@5 1, UX5 10 (1 - 27), UX5 19 (9 - 10)-FB (X-Men "die") (Captain Marvel appears by herself in space)
AOXM:O 1-FB
W:IW 1-5 (shortly after X-Men die, after FF5 4, IWARS ∞)
XFOR5 1-6 (after UX@5 1, UX5 10)
ASM5 14-18, 18.HU, 19, 19.HU, 20, 20.HU, 21-23 (Captain Marvel appears w/Avengers) (before P12 6) (between school semesters)
UX5 19 (11 - 13)-FB
UX5 11 (1-3)-FB
CHMPS2 22-23, 26-FB (Vision repaired) (Miles recovering) (Sam no longer Nova)
ASM5 24, 25 (1-31)
CHMPS2 24 [early-to-mid January]
CHMPS2 25-27 (after ANT&WASP2 1-5, DP7 4)
CHMPS@ 1
ASM5 25 (32-45) (new school semester)
MIMOSM 1-FB (new school semester)
???MMSM 1-5 (new school semester)
RUN5 20-22 (new school semester)
P12 6xxx, 7-12 (at least 3 months since P12 1-6)
WSOL2 1-5

XFOR5 7-10
DP7 9 (Daredevil appears) [Valentine's]
UX5 10 (28 - 30), 19 (14 - 18)-FB, 11/2 (1-12), 11 (4-30), 11 (4-15), 11/2 (13-15), 11/3, 11 (16), 11/2 (16-17), 11 (17-21) ~ 11/2 (18), 11 (22-30) ~ 11/2 (19-21), 12, 19 (19)-FB, 13-15 (1 -16) (Winter)
MR&MRSX 6 (20), 7-10 (1 – 16) [Rogue & Gambit in Mojoworld, where they have been for a few weeks at this point]
CM9 1 (1 - 29), 2, 3 (1 - 15), 1 (30) [Carol returns to public life, gets stuck on Roosevelt Island, leads resistance]
MR&MRSX 10 (17 – 20) [Rogue & Gambit have returned from Mojoworld]
CM 9 3 (16 - 20), 4, 5 (1 - 20) [Carol & Rogue on Roosevelt Island]
MR&MRSX 11-12 [Gambit in New Orleans]
CM9 5 (21 - 22) [Two days later]
UX5 15 (17 - 21) [Six Days Later]

M/K20TH 1-6 (lasts a month?) (non-canon)
WH 8-12
IMMH 9 (1)-FB (a month before IMMH 9)
DD 609-612 (Daredevil "dies")
MWF 1-5 (1 - 12) (Daredevil in hospital)
IMMH 9 (3)-FB

SUSM2 1-4
DS5 10/2
DS5 10-FB

DS5 9-11
CM:B&M 1
A7 12, T5 9 (Cul reports to Odin from Svartalfheim), T5 10-FB
MIMOSM 1 (5-6)-FB

MIMOSM 1-3 (before A7 14)
A7 14-17 (Capt Marvel returned to duty with Avengers)
USQG2 42
M/CP3 3/3
SUSM2 5-6
WCA3 5 (1:6-20)-FB, WCA3 6-7, WCA3 5, WCA3 8-FB, WCA3 8-10
UX5 10 (28 - 30), UX5 19 (14 - 18)-FB, UX5 11-12, 19 (19)-FB, 13-15 (weeks or months since UX5 10 (1 - 27)?)
MR&MRSX 7-10 (after UX5 11)
CM9 1-5
MR&MRSX 11-12
TSIM 6-11

MWF 5 (13 - 19) (Daredevil recovers)
WOTR:WS 2/3-FB ["a few weeks" before WOTR]
ZIGGY PIG SILLY SEAL COMICS v2 #1 (Doctor Doom appears)
M/CP3 5/3
MIMOSM 4
DP7 10-12
M/TU4 1-3
FNSM2 6
M/CP3 6/3
M/R 1-5
SGWEN:GS 5-10
IHRT 1
CHMPS3 1-2 (Wasp appears)
UWASP2 1-7 (Nova appears) (beforeA:NRH)
CHMPS3 3-4 (8-ish days between CHMPS3 2-3) (Nova leaves, no Wasp)
UWASP2 8-10 (2 weeks after UWASP2 1)
IHRT 2-3
MG&DDINO 38-41 [a few days before summer vacation] (Late May)
IHRT 4-5

P12 13-???
A7 12, T5 9, T5 13-FB [T5 9 (2:2-4), T5 9 (10-11), T5 9 (5-9), T5 9 (12-17), A7 12 (6-20), T5 13 (9-10), T5 9 (1-2:1), T5 9 (18-20), T5 13 (1) ~ T5 13 (15:2), T5 13 (15:3-18) (Cul reports to Odin from Svartalfheim), T5 10-FB
IMMH 9 (5)-FB (Two weeks before IMMH 9) (Late May)
A7 14-17, A7 20-FB (Capt Marvel returned to duty with Avengers)
IMMH 9 (7, 9)-FB (Eleven, Ten days before IMMH 9) (Late May)
N:BD 1 (1 - 8) [Namor heads to Vodan]
SS:BD 1 (1 - 3) [Galactus encounters the Cosmic Train]
SS:BD 1-FB [Surfer is sent to investigate the worlds of the Cosmic Train]
IMMH 9 (11)-FB (Five days before IMMH 9) (Late May)
SS:BD 1 (4 - 27) [Surfer investigates the Cosmic Train and rescues Goldie]
N:BD 1 (9 - 28) [Namor on Vodan - a week after he left Atlantis]
SS:BD 1 (28 - 30) [Surfer’s board leaves him]
N:BD 1 (29 - 30) [Surfer’s board rescues Namor]
IMMH 3 [McGee investigates Hulk in SD - contacted by Langkowski]
IMMH 4 [McGee meets Walter at SD airport & they follow Hulk to Minnesota. “Oh Yah, You Betcha!”]
IMMH 5 [Hulk vs Sasquatch]
IMMH 6 [Two days later - Hulk challenged by Avengers]
IMMH 7 [Hulk vs Avengers - Thor injured - Iron Man in Hulkbuster with Motherboard AI)
IMMH 8 (1 - 8) [Hulk at Shadow Base - Gamma Flight formed]
DS:BD 1 [Alternate Strange crashes to Earth just before sunset]
IMMH:BD 1-FB [Old man finds Eye of Agamotto after sunset]
CA8 6 (Ross murdered)
IMMH 8 (9 - 20) [Colonel Danvers gave a press conference yesterday evening, announcing the formation of Gamma Flight - Hulk escapes Shadow Base at dawn]
IMMH:BD 1 [Banner enters Happy Trails just past noon]
DEF:BD 1 [Conclusion]
IMMH 9-13 (Day after Hulk escaped Shadow Base, Ross’ spirit recently in hell)

WOTR:WS 2/3-FB ["a few weeks" before WOTR]
IHRT 1
TSIM 6-11 (Motherboard destroyed, after IMMH 3-8)
???INV3 1-6 (probably after WOTR)
CHMPS3 1-2 (Wasp appears)
UWASP2 1-7 (Nova appears) (beforeA:NRH)
CHMPS3 3-4 (8-ish days between CHMPS3 2-3) (Nova leaves, no Wasp)
UWASP2 8-10 (2 weeks after UWASP2 1)
IHRT 2-3
MG&DDINO 38-41 [a few days before summer vacation]
IHRT 4-5
???INV3 7-??? (probably after WOTR)

M/CP3 7/3 (Summer)
T5 12-FB (Father’s Day, June 16)

MG&DDINO 42
ASM5 25/2
FF5 5 (1 - 42), FFWED2, FF5 5 (43 - 60), 6-9 ["9 days" before WOTR]
T5 10 [Father’s Day?]
DS5 12-17
CA8 6 (Ross dies)
IMMH 9-13 (Ross’ spirit recently in hell)

A:NRH 1-10 (Avengers Legacy #708-717)
Hulkverines! #1-3
CA8 7 (less than a week after CA8 6, Cap learns Ross is dead)
IMMH 14-17, 18 (1 - 2) (Ross’ funeral, so about a week after CA8 6)
ASM5 14-18, 18.HU, 19, 19.HU, 20, 20.HU, 21-23 (Captain Marvel appears w/Avengers) (before P12 6) (during summer break)
P12 6xxx, 7-12 (at least 3 months since P12 1-6)
ASM5 24, 25 (1-31) (a few days later, June 26)
T5 11
ASGOTG 6-7
WAR of the REALMS
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P12 13-??? (probably after WOTR & P:KK)
INV3 1-6 (probably after WOTR)
???INV3 7-??? (probably after WOTR)
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Weapon H 8-12 has to take place before Immortal Hulk 9, but also beofre Thor 9/Avengers 12.

At the end of WH 12, Dario Agger is placed under house arrest. In T5 9, Agger has been under house arrest for two weeks.

In IMMH 9 (1) Creel is arrested by Iron Man, and there’s a strong impication in both WH 8 & IMMH 9 that this is either during or very shortly after WH 8-12. Let’s assume for simplicity that it’s immediately afterwards.

IMMH 9 (5) is two weeks later, so immediately after T5 9. IMMH 9 (3) is sometime between the two appearances.

IMMH 9 (7) is about four days later, and eleven days before IMMH 9. Creel is brought to Shadow Base.

IMMH 9 (9) is the following day. Creel is given the Hulk plug-in.

IMMH 9 (11) is five days later. Creel has been turned red.

The rest of IMMH 9 takes place the days after Dr Clive was killed by Hulk in IMMH 8.

Given the above timeline of events for IMMH 3-8, IMMH 9 (11) would be placed between the SS: BD 1-FB and SS:BD 1.

CA8 6 would have to be placed immediately before IMMH 8 (9 - 20), and IMMH 9-13 would have to follow on immedieately from DEF:BD 1, as it’s the day after Clive was killed. Since IMMH 17-18 (1 - 2) has Ross’s funeral, these issues would have to go soon after that. But Avengers: No Road Home and Hulkverines occurs in the mean time. I'm thinking that Ross's funeral at West Point may have taken a little longer than normal to arrange.

Assuming T5 12-FB to occur on Father's Day, June 16, and ASM5 24 to occur on the given date of June 26, then WOTR would have to occur very shortly after that date. FF5 5-9 is "nine days before" WOTR, so would have to be moved down a little to between T5 12-FB and ASM 24.

We have MG&DDINO 38-41 a few days before the start of summer break. According to a google search of various academic calendars in NYC, although the dates are slightly variable, this is likely the third week in May. We want all of the Hulk and Avengers items in June, so i've moved the kids listings up the timeline.

I’ve incorporated the revised the timeline for this end section into the list above..
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Arrrgh! I still managed to cock that up. Dumb brain - need more bourbon. I forgot to move A7 8-10 after X:R 1-11. Talk about dumb Hulk. That was the whole reason for this in the first place. :sigh:

That's been corrected, and i've also had to move WX3 15-27 and OML2 41-45 to go along with it. The only problem i can see is that i can't place IH2 717 (18-20) in with that, so that will have to stay in its original position. I've also moved P12 1-6 into the week long break during X:R 10 just to break that up, and also Punisher addressed thew UN a couple of months before Jean Grey by publication date.

Also, there's a full moon depicted in A7 10, and there was a full moon on Sept 24 2018, so that fits nicely. Hopefully i haven't forgotten anything else, but i probably have.
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As a result of having moved X-Men Red, these two listings could probably be moved up the list to just after WX3 22-27:

HFW:DE 1 (bearded Nightcrawler, clean-shaven Colossus, #hotclaws Wolverine)
DOMINO@ 1 (after WX3 22?) (bearded Nightcrawler, Cable appears)
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Red Goblin: Red Death 1, first story, appears to take place immediately following ASM 796.

Story 2 appears to take place between the ASM 797 flashbacks and ASM 797, main story.

Story 3’s flashback appears to take place between ASM 799 & ASM 800, and is set on Halloween.

The rest of story 3 occurs a short time later, probably after ASM 800-801.

The Halloween reference is likely to be dismissed on first inspection, but i believe that with a little reshuffling we can fit that in. Currently, the way the Secret Empire to War of the Realms list is set up, we have one year passing, roughly from June to June, while two years worth of comics were released. As everyone knows, i believe in allowing the years to unfold as they’re shown in the comics, and having Marvel time compressed later in retrospect.

Therefore, i suggest the following modifications to the timeline..

MSM4 19-22 is already listed as Summer. Let’s bring CA 695, set on July 4th and “a few months after Secret Empire,” back to immediately before this listing, and place ASM 789, “Weeks after Secret Empire” immediately before that..

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H4 11
ASM 789 ("weeks" after SECEMP)
CA 695 [“a few months” after SECEMP] {July 4th}
MSM4 19-22 [summer]
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Immediatley following that we have SM/DP 23-27, which is set in the autumn. Coming after this are DP6 36 & DDP 287-291 which are set in late July. I would suggest moving SM/DP 23-27 down to join up with SM/DP 28-36..

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C4 1-5
SECWARR2 12
SM/DP 23-36 {Autumn}
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Immediately following this we have DS 381 (Strange a vet) which is set in late autumn/early winter, and seems to take place just before DS 382. DS 383 shows Christmas decorations along the streets. I suggest moving DS 381 down to join DS 382-385..

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MULTM 1-5 (Madrox returns, Archangel “fine”)
DS 381 (Strange a vet) {Late Autumn/Early Winter}
DS 382-385 (Loki stops as Sorcerer Supreme, Strange gets red cloak back) {Christmas Decorations}
BRSCRS 8-14 [lead-in to DS:DAMN]
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At this point, i will mention that we should probably not have Dr Strange appearing in a capacity where he uses magic to protect the world between the time that Loki takes over as Sorcerer Supreme in DS 383-FB and DS 382, where he learns that Loki’s probably running a scam. This would involve bringing the following listings down to a point after A 675-690 (No Surrender). Also Red Goblin: Red Death 1 goes in here immediately after ASM 796..

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A 675-690 (Cho still Hulk, Spider-Miles, Strange blue cloak, Vision damaged)
DS 383-FB (Loki becomes Sorcerer Supreme)
USQG2 27-30 (Loki very recently Sorcerer Supreme)
ASM 795 (Loki Sorcerer Supreme) (Peter found new apartment)
ASM@ 42
ASM 796 (Stark gone for “months”)
RED GOBLIN: RED DEATH 1
ASM@ 42/2
ASM5 1 (10 - 12)-FB
M/2IO 3-6 (Thing & Torch unavailable until M/2IO 10) (before IM 600)
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Since Red Goblin: Red Death 1/3-FB seems like it would have to occur between ASM 799 & ASM 800, and is set at Halloween, this would have to be placed before DS 381-385, which is set around Christmas, but we can’t place them any earlier than IM 600. While we’re in this section, Red Death 1/2 is placed between the ASM 797 flashbacks and ASM 797, and Red Death 1/3 current pages should be placed after ASM 800-801.

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IM 597-600 (Spider-Miles & Cable appear together) (after M/2IO@ 1 & M/2IO 7)
ASM 797-FBS
RED GOBLIN: RED DEATH 1/2
ASM 797-799
RED GOBLIN: RED DEATH 1/3-FB {HALLOWEEN}
ASM 800-801
RED GOBLIN: RED DEATH 1/3
P 227 (4-20), 228 (Stark appears w/Rhodey)
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The next listings to appear that have dates attached are DP:ASSN 1-6 (1 - 18), which is set during Mardi Gras (i know, it’s always Mardi Gras in New Orleans, but this now fits nicely into the scheme). Further down is HFW:CK 1-4, set in April, before we get to USQG2 32-35 in mid-August, so this all seems to work nicely.
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