SECRET WARS to CIVIL WAR II

[Col_Fury]

Putting everything together and here's what we get. How's it look? wolverine, Clive or Nick; any thoughts? Anyone else?

SECRET WARS: July
TAH 1-4-FBs (Cho becomes new Hulk)
UINHS 8 (5-8)-FB (8 months before UINHS 8) (July?)
ANT@ 1-FB
A:ROU
ANT@ 1
DP6 7/5
DPV.GAM 1-FB
DP6 7/7 (Deadpool becomes famous)
DD5 17-20-FBs (DD’s secret ID restored) (Cho-Hulk appears)
DP&C:SS 1-3 (Deadpool already famous)
CASR 2 (6-10)-FB
CASW flashbacks
CM8 1-5 (Capt. Marvel put in charge of Alpha Flight)
UINHS 8 (10-13)-FB (7 months before UINHS 8) (August?)
ANADA 1/2
SBRAND&NMASK 1-6 (mid-August)
UX4 7-FB (before DOX)
UX4 12-FB
KARNAK 1-6
V:SK 1-6
DRAX 1-11
UINHS 8 (15)-FB (6 months before UINHS 8) (September?)
FCBD2015: A /2 (Johnny still in FF uniform) (before DOX)
DOX 1-4 (Terrigen Cloud revealed to be deadly to mutants)
EXX 8/2-FB (X-Mansion moved to Limbo)
IvX 0 (1-9)-FB
BP&CREW 1-6 (after DD5 17-20-FBs)
BK4 2-3-FB (preparing for Avengers roster change)
ULTS4 8-FB
BP:WWKND 4 (Ultimates formed)
BP6 1 ~ BP:WWKND 5
BP6 2-3
SQS4 1 (1 - 19:3)
AFOR2 1 (1-4:3)
A6 0 (after CM8 1, DOX 1-4; during SQS4 1; before ANADA 1, NA4 1, UA3 1, ULTS4 1, AFOR2 1, VIS3 1)
AFOR2 1 (4:4-20), 2-7 (a day or two after A6 0)
SQS4 1 (19:4 - 23)
ANX2 1-7 (near end of summer)
ANADA 1-3 (team forms)
FCBD2015:A ("1st day as Avengers" for the kids)
OML2 1 (after ANADA 1)
VIS3 1 (1-14): September
UA@2 1
DP6 7/4
SCRW2 1
DS4 1-3 (before ANW 4, ANX2 8)
ANX2 8
GOI 1/2
RW2 1-6
WWORLD2 1-6
HTD5 7 ("several months" before HTD5 1, restored DD appears) (after A6 0)
VIS3 1 (15-20), 2: October
DP6 7/2
SCRW2 2
GOI 2/2
DP6 7/3
BW8 1-4
UINHS 8 (16)-FB (5 months before UINHS 8) (October?)
ANINHS 1/2 (3 months before ANINHS 1) (October?)
UINHS 0/2
UINHS 1/2
UINHS 1-4
ANX2 9-16 (after ANINHS 1/2) (“5 weeks” after ANX2 8)
ANADM/PO: Halloween
P@4 1 (Halloween)
COC 1-5, 6 (1-18) (shortly after ANADM/PO)
BW8 5-8
DP6 1-3, 3.1, 4-5
USQG2 6 (before USQG2 1)
HTD5 6 ("3 months" before HTD5 1)
UX4 1-5 (before EXX 1)
VIS3 3 (no appearances for Vision between VIS3 2-3): November
BW8 9-10
MT2 1-5
NA4 1-2
USQG2 1 (after NA4 1)
BW8 11-12
ANHAWK2 1
NA4 3-6
UA3 1-4
OML2 2-4
EXX 1-5 (college midterms)
UX4 6/2
MSM4 1-FB (after ANADA 1)
SQS4 2-5 ("months" after SQS4 1)
BK4 1-5
EXX 6-7
ASM4 1/2 (before SM2099v3 1)
ANHAWK2 2 (spans a month, roughly)
DD/P 1-4
GOI 3/2
SCRW2 3-4
USQG2 2-5
ANADA 4-6
ANHAWK2 3-6
UA3 5-6
SM2099v3 1 (1-16) (before ASM4 1/3-1/6)
ASTONANT 1-FB (“8 months” before #1-13)
MSM4 1-3 ("6 weeks" after MSM4 1-FB)
IvX 0 (10-16)-FB
ASOFF:WPH (5-16)-FB
ASM4 1/3-1/6 (before ASM4 1, SILK2 1, SW6 1, WWARR 1) (Spider-Woman 6 months pregnant, so December?)
SILK2 1 (the day after ASM4 1/3)
BP6 4-8 (after EXX 1)
NO6 1-4 (spans a week)
ASOFF:WPH (17-21)-FB
ASM4 1-5 (Parker Industries (already global) finally moves into Baxter Building) (before SS7 1-6)
VIS3 4-6: early December
SCRW2 5
ASTONANT 2-5-FBs (before CASW 3)
CASW 1-3 (after ANADA 1)
HRC4 1-6 (early/mid-December)
ASM4 1.1-1.4 (mid-December)
HCSHIELD 1-5 (shortly before Standoff!)
CASW 4-6 (2-3 weeks after CASW 1-3)
NA4 7
TAH 1-4
NO6 5-6
DD5 1-5
HTD5 1-3 (Gwenpool backups)
GP SPEC (Spider-Woman pregnant): Christmas Eve
ILLUM 1-5 (right before Standoff!)
AOSHIELD 1-2 (lead-in to Standoff!)
AVENGERS STANDOFF! (ANADA 7-8, NA4 8-10, UA3 7-8, CASW 7-8, Alpha & Omega): December
AOSHIELD 5-6 (aftermath of Standoff!)
ILLUM 7 (right after Standoff!)
DP&MFM 1-5 (between Christmas & New Year)
HTD5 1-FB ("1 month" before HTD5 1)
MSM4 4-6
SGWEN2 1-6 (Spider-Woman pregnant)
ANINHS 1-4 (January?)
VIS3 8-12 (after ANADA 1-3): January
TAH 7 ("4 months" before TAH 8)
DP6 7/6-FB (“a few weeks” before DP6 7)
ASM4 1.5-1.6 ("six weeks" after ASM4 1.1, so late January)
HTD5 1-4, 5 (1-18) (Galactus purple) (Kitty-as-Star-Lord appears)
ULTS4 1-2 (Galactus goes from purple to gold)
COC 6 (19-20), 7-10 (after ULTS4 1-2)
DP6 7 (1-18) (Mardi Gras)
AYOM/:A (Valentine’s)
SS7 1-6 (after ASM4 1-5, after VIS3 8-12) (after Thanksgiving, X-Mas & New Year)
USQG2 7 (after ULTS4 1-2)
PATSYWAHCAT 1-7
DP6 7/6 (1-9)
WWARR 1-6
CWII 0, CWII 1 (1-2)
CWII:ULY 1-3
MSM4 7 (after CWII 0)
MG&DDINO 1-11 & 12 (1-6) (at least 1 month before MG&DDINO 12 (1-17)) (Cho Hulk & Ms. Marvel appear)
ANINHS 5-6
UINHS 5-10 (February?)
ANINHS 7-10 (after MG&DDINO 1-11, MSM4 7, KARNAK 4, UINHS 9)
SCRW2 6
UX4 6-10 (“6 months” after UX4 7-FB)
IvX 0 (17-21)-FB
SW6 1-4 (Spider-Woman gives birth, roughly 34 weeks after July, so March?)
SM/DP 6: March?
RR&GROOT 1-3 (Kitty-as-Star-Lord, no Peter) (“8 months” after Secret Wars)
DP6 7/6 (10)
OML2 5-7
ANX@2 1
AYOM/:A /2 (Spring Break)
SM/DP 1-3 (after ASM4 1 & SM/DP 6)
AYOM/:I (April Fools)
SM/DP 4-5, 8-10, 13-14, 17-18
ANGELA:QHEL 1-7
GOI 4/2 (Venom & Human Torch; Capt. Marvel appears)
TAH 5-6
DP6 7 (19-20), 8-11
ASM4 6-FB
RR&GROOT 4 (Iron Man, Scarlet Witch, Ms. Marvel, others appear)
PM&IF3 1-4 (after SW6 4)
CRNG2 1-5 (mid-April)
GOTG4 1-5 (Star-Lord stops being king, rejoins Guardians)
SLORD 6 (start) (Star-Lord & Kitty break up)
CASW 9 (restored Steve Cap makes public return)
GOI 5/2 (after Star-Lord & Kitty break up)
RR&GROOT 5
SQS4 6-7, 8 (1-9)
GOI 6/2 (Kitty-as-Star-Lord)
SCRW2 7
SW6 5 (few weeks/a month after SW6 4)
ANW 1-7
ULTS4 3-6
CRNG2 6-10 (late April)
ANW@ 1 (before SGWEN2 7-8)
SILK2 2, ASM&SILK:SFE 1-4, SILK2 3-8 / SW6 6-7 / SGWEN2 7-8 / SWMEN A & O: April-May
ASM4 6-8
HYP 1-6 (after SQS4 6)
SM2099v3 1 (17-20), 2-8
ASM4 9-11
AYOM/:I /2 (Mother’s Day)
MT2 6-7
M/TSUM 1-4 (Kitty-as-Star-Lord, ANADAvengers, discarded Ultron body?)
SM2 1-2, 3 (1-18)
SLORD 6 (end), 7-8 (Kitty stops being Star-Lord) (Iron Man appears)
MOCK 1 (3-10)-FB
RR&GROOT 6
FCBD2016:CA / CASR 1-3 (after CASW 9)
TB3 1-4 (after CASW 9) (before SQS4 8 (10-20))
TAH 8
GOI 7/2
MOCK 2
MOCK 1 (11-15)-FB
SCRW2 8
NA4 11
RR&GROOT 7
GOI 8/2 (Kitty no longer Star-Lord)
DD5 6-7
USQG2 8-10
DP:TS? 1-4
ANADA 9 / NO6 7 / FCBD2016:CWII /2
ANADA 10-12
USQG2 11
MOCK 3
MOCK 1 (16-18)-FB
GOI 1-8
DPV.GAM 1-5
DP6 13 (between DD5 7-8, PM&IF3 4-5)
USQGBUM/U
USQG2 12-14 (Ant-Man & Iron Man appear)
IIM2 1-8 (no appearances for Iron Man between IIM2 8-9)
PM&IF3 5
UINHS@ 1
MOCK 4
MOCK 1
MOCK 5
V:SK 7-10
EXX 8-12
EXX@ 1 (Moon Girl appears in 2nd story)
EXX 13-16
ASTONANT 6-11-FBs (after PM&IF3 5)
SILK2 9-13: May
SS7 7-14 (3 & ½ months after SS7 1-6) [MOVED TO CIVIL WAR II]
SQS4 8 (10-20)
CRNG2 11-16
SW6 8: (3 or 4 months after SW6 4 (baby’s 1st tooth), so June?)
OML2 8
SGWEN@ 1
ANINHS 11
IIM2 9-11 & 12-FB (a month after IIM2 8)
ASTONANT 1-13
WWARR 7-11
CASR 4
ANADA@ 1
AYOM/:UNS (1st day of summer)
CIVIL WAR II: late June

Most likely during CWII at some point:

AYOM/:UNS (1st day of summer)
PM&IF3 6
MK8 1-14
ULTS4 7
ANW 8-10
SM2099v3 9-12
DD5 8-9
SM2 3 (19-20), 4-6 (Jessica Jones appears)
DD@4 1
DD5 10
INTIM 1-7
GOTG4 6-11 (after SLORD 6-8 & ANGELA:QHEL, Kitty no longer Star-Lord)
ASM4 12-18
UGP 1-6
ASM@4 1
USQG2 15
AYOM/:UNS /2 (July 4th)
OML2 9-13

[StrayLamb]

Looking pretty good..

Just a few comments..

UX4 1-5 seems to be missing..

UA3 5-6 seems to be missing..

I’m not sure UA3 9-12 shouldn’t be with CWII - Tony Stark is shown in what appears to be the same facility in which he is shown in Uncanny Inhumans 11-15, and Bruce Banner’s failsafe plans are referred to in the past tense..

USQG2 12 is listed twice...

Carnage 8-16 seems to be one fairly tight story, with narrative gaps of no more than around four days at any point, but we have a significant gap between issues 10 and 11..

And just a few minor possible additions/nitpicks..

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CM8 1-5 (Capt. Marvel put in charge of Alpha Flight)
BK3 2-FB (preparing for Avengers roster change)
BK3 3-FB [As the Avengers piece together what happened, Rebecca Stevens, noted expert on the Black Knight & the Ebony Blade, arrives; Dane steals a Quinjet, and the Avengers catch up to him as he flies into the Bermuda Triangle]
ULTS4 8 (1-7) [Carol Danvers approaches T’Challa in Wakanda to discuss the possibility of a pro-active task force, semi-attached to Alpha Flight]
BP:WWKND 4 (Ultimates formed)
BP6 1 ~ BP:WWKND 5
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AFOR2 1 (1-4:3) [Singularity awakens in E-616 with her memories of Battleworld intact; reaching out for something familiar, she locates the Alpha Flight Space Station]
A6 0 (after CM8 1, DOX 1-4; during SQS4 1; before ANADA 1, NA4 1, UA3 1, ULTS4 1, AFOR2 1, VIS3 1)
AFOR2 1 (4:4-20) (No more than a day or two after A6 0)
AFOR2 2-7 (No more than a day or two after A6 0)
SQS4 1 (19:4 - 23) [During the past month the Squadron has gone public with their activities, including a deadly attack on a Hydra base and levelling three Maggia bases, with public opinion divided; SHIELD appoints Jim Hammond as lead on the hunt for the Squadron, and he calls on Steve Rogers’ Unity Squad for help in bringing them in]
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ANADM/PO: Halloween
P@4 1 (Halloween)
Gwenpool Holiday Special 1/5 (Halloween; No Gwenpool; Deadpool, Squirrel Girl, Rogue)
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ANHAWK2 1
ANADA 1/2 (a week or two before ANADA 1-3)
NA4 3-6
ANADA 1-3 (team forms)
FCBD2015:A ("1st day as Avengers" for the kids)
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MSM4 1-3 ("6 weeks" after MSM4 1-FB)
Avengers Standoff: Welcome to Pleasant Hill 1 (5-16) (36 days before Assault!)
ASM4 1/3-1/6 (before ASM4 1, SILK2 1, SW6 1, WWARR 1) (Spider-Woman 6 months pregnant, so December?)
SILK2 1 (the day after ASM4 1/3)
BP6 4-8 (after EXX 1)
NO6 1-3 (1-5)
Avengers Standoff: Welcome to Pleasant Hill 1 (17-21) (17 days before Assault!)
NO6 3 (6-20) [a week after NO6 3 (1-5)]
ASM4 1-5 (Parker Industries (already global) finally moves into Baxter Building) (before SS7 1-6)
VIS3 4-6: early December
SCRW2 5
ASTONANT 2-5-FBs (before CA:SAMW 3)
CA:SAMW 1-3 (after ANADA 1)
HRC4 1-6 (early/mid-December)
ASM4 1.1-1.4 (mid-December)
HCSHIELD 1-5 (shortly before Standoff!)
CA:SAMW 4-6 (2-3 weeks after CA:SAMW 1-3)
NA4 7
TAH 1-4
NO6 5-6
ILLUM 1-5 (right before Standoff!)
AOSHIELD 1-2 (lead-in to Standoff!)
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ANX@2 1
ASM4 6 (1-7) [Three weeks prior to ASM4 6 (8-20)]
AYOM/:A /2 (Spring Break)
AYOM/:I (April Fools)
SM/DP 1-3 (after ASM4 1 & SM/DP 6)
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[Col_Fury]

Thanks!

I haven't read GP HSPEC yet but it sounds like it might have to happen during CWII (or at least the main parts); I plan to read it while I'm going through that crossover.

I haven't read CWII yet, so it's possible that UA3 9-12 could happen during that crossover. If so it'll get moved out. I'll keep my eye out for it!

Yeah, CRNG2 is odd. Everything seems to happen pretty quickly, but #16 says that #1 was "months ago." The only spot I could find to put a gap of time in was between #10-11. I don't think there's any characters that appear in CRNG2 that show up anywhere else, though, so the gap in time shouldn't affect any chronologies. If there are some characters that show up elsewhere we'll have to make sure not to put those comics between CRNG2 10-11 (because they're busy looking for Carnage).

Everything else, Thanks! Edited into the above.

[StrayLamb]

Yeah, CRNG2 is odd. Everything seems to happen pretty quickly, but #16 says that #1 was "months ago."

I think sometimes (frequently) the writers and/or editors get confused between internal story time and real publication time when they say "months ago."

Looks pretty good to me.. everything seems to work.

[Col_Fury]

Yeah, CRNG2 is odd. Everything seems to happen pretty quickly, but #16 says that #1 was "months ago."

I think sometimes (frequently) the writers and/or editors get confused between internal story time and real publication time when they say "months ago."

Hey, it's part of what makes all of this fun, right?

Looks pretty good to me.. everything seems to work.

So far, anyway. We'll probably stumble across something that takes place during this time, or I could have jumbled a thing or two, but yes. So far so good (I think)!

[StrayLamb]

There are some major flashback sequences coming up later in Inhumans vs X-Men 0, Unworthy Thor 1-4, and Thanos 4 that will need to be placed into this list, but probably best to wait until we get to that part of the chronology before adding them in.

[Col_Fury]

Grid appears in DOX 1, who first appeared in FCBD2015:A /2. Grid gets his powers in FCBD2015:A /2 and already has them in DOX 1, so we’re going to have to move DOX 1-4.

Johnny and Medusa already have a romance in FCBD2015:A /2, which started in UINHS 8 (15)-FB, so that has to go before FCBD2015:A /2.

Rogue is in a coma in A6 0 because of DOX 1-4, so A6 0 has to happen after DOX 1-4.

EXX 8/2-FB moves the X-Mansion to Limbo because of DOX and has to happen afterwards.

ANX2 1 heavily references DOX 1-4 and has to happen afterwards. So at least:

UNINHS 8 (15)-FB (Johnny & Medusa start dating)
FCBD2015:A /2 (Johnny & Medusa already dating, Grid gets powers)
DOX 1-4 (Grid has powers, Cyclops dies) (Terrigen cloud deadly to mutants)
EXX 8/2-FB (X-Mansion moved to Limbo)
A6 0 (Rogue in a Terrigen coma)
ANX2 1 (Cyclops already dead)

UX4 7-FB & UX4 12-FB have to go before DOX because Magneto appears in DOX but only decides to get back into things in UX4 7-FB and decides to be proactive in UX4 12-FB.

BP&CREW 1-6 work better before DOX because Storm is walking around Harlem (meaning, it’d be better off before the Terrigenesis stuff).

Edited into the above!

[StrayLamb]

Nicely caught, Colonel..

Can't help noticing that wolverine and Mr Reston must be away on secret missions..

[Clive_Reston]

Moon Girl's in EXX@ 1/2, rather than EXX@ 1!

She's definitely still in fourth grade as of MG&DD 19, and I believe she STILL is as of MG&DD 31, though it's not in front of me (and 32 apparently takes place while Wilson Fisk is the mayor). So I continue to endorse the idea of the first year of her series happening during the final weeks of Civil War II.

(Sorry I've been away for a bit, StrayLamb. Real life and stuff...)

[StrayLamb]

I've heard about real life, but i try to avoid it myself.

[Col_Fury]

I'm still mulling over the MG&DDINO placement, which is why they have ??? in front of them. To be honest, though, I don't want to decide until we're into SECRET EMPIRE. Why? I dunno.

[Clive_Reston]

Also! PM&IF3 1-4 have to be before ILLUM 1-5 (and therefore before Standoff), because Power Man & Iron Fist are working together again in ILLUM 1. But that has to be after SW6 4, so SW6 1-4 and consequently GP SPEC and SGWEN2 1-6 have to be before Standoff too...

[wolverine7230]

Can't help noticing that wolverine and Mr Reston must be away on secret missions..

I'll be back and looking over the Colonel's work soon enough. Hoping to go over the whole thing over the next couple of weeks, I'll let you guys know if I disagree with any placements.

Any idea when we're gonna start work on CIVIL WAR II to SECRET EMPIRE? I really enjoyed a lot of the titles in the buildup to this event.

[Col_Fury]

I think Spider-Woman's pregnancy is the stronger placement clue (she's no longer pregnant in PM&IF3). Luke and Danny could have been having lunch together a block away (or something) before the Titania stuff started. They don't say anything about being partners in ILLUM 1, and they are best friends after all. They hang out a lot!

Good eye, though. Keep it up!

Once we're done with CWII I'm sure we'll move on to CWII to SECEMP. So, soon-ish?

[Clive_Reston]

The next to last page of SQS4 15 has Nighthawk suggesting that he's just very recently moved to Chicago and started working with Tilda; the implication is that NHAWK2 1-6 happen after that.

(On the previous page, the Statue of Liberty appears intact next to New Attilan...)