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Re: SECRET WARS to CIVIL WAR II

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StrayLamb wrote: Sat Jun 02, 2018 7:44 pm
Col_Fury wrote: Sat Jun 02, 2018 7:09 pmSM2099v3 1 starts some time after ASM4 1 (backups); Miguel has had the job Peter offered him for a while now.
In SM2099v3 1 Miguel’s assistant Raul reports to him that they were able to pull strings to get Alchemax’s prison funding yanked, leaving Empire Unlimited the sole group building the new prison complex on Rykers Island, so has to go before ASM4 1/2-1/6. There can be a break between pages 16 & 17 of SM2099v3 1.
Hrmn.

The new prison is already up and running in ASM4 1/2-1/6, which is where Miguel is offered the job. In SM2099v3 1, Miguel has had the job for a while. So, the prison was completed before Miguel came along. And yet, SM2099v3 1 makes it sound like the prison isn't completed yet. We can't have:

prison completed -> Miguel gets job -> prison not yet completed

Maybe Alchemax was trying to build a competing prison to the one Empire Unlimited already had? Meaning:

Empire Unlimited prison completed -> Miguel gets job -> Miguel stops Alchemax from working on competing prison

I guess technically, the Empire Unlimited prison could have been operational and maybe not quite "completed" (like the Death Star in Return of the Jedi).
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Re: SECRET WARS to CIVIL WAR II

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Hmm.. ASM4 1/2 can be separated from the other back-up stories and placed earlier in the scheme, so..

ASM4 1/2 (Miguel is offered a job at Parker Industries)
SM2099v3 1 (1-16) (Miguel has had the job for some time. Empire Unlimited becomes sole contender for new prison on Ryker's Island)
ASM4 1/3-1/6 (New prison on Ryker's has just been opened)
SM2099v3 1 (17-20) (Sometime later...)

Does that make sense..?
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Re: SECRET WARS to CIVIL WAR II

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Ah, OK. Yes, I can see that. :thumbsup:

Looking at Guardians…
Clive_Reston wrote: Sun Apr 29, 2018 8:06 pmEverything starting at this point has the new GOTG lineup of Thing, Agent Venom, Drax, Rocket, Groot, and Kitty-as-Star-Lord. Throughout it all, it's suggested that all of them can zip back and forth between Earth, Knowhere and elsewhere, as they please.

Rocket Raccoon & Groot #1-3 (at least their basic timeline) are "eight months after all that crazy Secret Wars stuff." The Thing "only knew [Rocket & Groot] for what, eight months?" (There's a "time flux" involved in the story, but that's not important.)

Rocket Raccoon & Groot #4 has the two of them on Earth with a bunch of Avengers and others, including Iron Man, Deadpool and Magik.

Rocket Raccoon & Groot #5, 6 and 7 are standalones with no placement considerations at all.

Drax 1-11 are basically continuous; Kitty is Star-Lord.

Venom: Spaceknight #1-6 has Venom as a Guardian.

Guardians of Infinity #1-8 (lead feature) is a Rocket/Groot/Drax adventure that can go anywhere in this period.

The backups in the first four issues of Guardians of Infinity are one-off adventures of two of the GotG at a time that can go anywhere in this period.

And now we run into trouble:
Guardians of the Galaxy #1-10 are more or less continuous action--you can't really peel off any of the characters for solo stories. (Well, there's a break between 5 and 6, but it's not conducive to solo adventures, and also not relevant to the problem.) Gamora rejoins them in the early stages of 1-5, they rescue Quill in 6-10, and at the end of #10, Captain Marvel contacts them and tells them to come back to Earth because Tony Stark has "gone off the rails," which leads directly into #11 and the Civil War II tie-ins, after which their ship has been destroyed and they're stuck on Earth for a while.

BUT: Kitty and Peter break up at the beginning of Star-Lord #6-8, in the course of which "months" go by. (Tony Stark shows up in the final panel, shocked that a Skrull has been doing "a cheap imitation of me"). Guardians of Infinity #5/2 is a Kitty/Rocket story that takes place after the breakup; #6/2 is a Gamora/Kitty story; #8/2 is Kitty, Peter & Rocket, and is agnostic on the subject of whether they're together. And there's also the matter of Kitty and Peter's tender Steranko-homage love scene in GotG #11...

Also, in GotG #8, Flash/Venom freaks out at the thought of rescuing Skrulls, because last time he encountered them they "tried to take my symbiote." But in Venom: Space Knight #7, he has a not-quite-that-bad interaction with a Skrull/Klyntarite pairing.
Here's how I have it:

V:SK 1-6 (at a time when Kitty is Star-Lord)
DRAX 1-11 (Kitty-as-Star-Lord)
GOI 1/2 (Thing & Rocket)
GOI 2/2 (Drax & Rocket)
GOI 3/2 (Rocket, Groot & Thing on Earth)
HTD5 1-4, 5 (1-18) (Galactus purple) (Kitty-as-Star-Lord appears)
RR&GROOT 1-3 (Kitty-as-Star-Lord, no Peter) (“8 months” after Secret Wars)
GOI 4/2 (Venom & Human Torch; Capt. Marvel appears)
RR&GROOT 4 (Iron Man, Scarlet Witch, Ms. Marvel, others appear)
GOTG4 1-5 (Star-Lord stops being king, rejoins Guardians)
SLORD 6 (start) (Star-Lord & Kitty break up)
GOI 5/2 (after Star-Lord & Kitty break up)
RR&GROOT 5
GOI 6/2 (Kitty-as-Star-Lord)
SLORD 6 (end), 7-8 (Kitty stops being Star-Lord) (Iron Man appears)
RR&GROOT 6
GOI 7/2
RR&GROOT 7
GOI 8/2 (Kitty no longer Star-Lord)
GOI 1-8
V:SK 7-10
GOTG4 6-11 (after SLORD 6-8 & ANGELA:QHEL, Kitty no longer Star-Lord) (during CWII)
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Re: SECRET WARS to CIVIL WAR II

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Col_Fury wrote: Sat Jun 02, 2018 7:09 pm
MG&DDINO 1-12 all want to be one big chain of events over the course of a few weeks. As noted earlier, there are two breaks in #12 (between 6-7 & 17-18). Of course it’s at the end of #12 after both breaks where Moon Girl finds out she’s the smartest person on the planet, so if that’s mentioned anywhere else (like the Extraordinary X-Men Annual, maybe?) it’ll have to be after #12.

I’m going to say the big science fair in #12 is at the end of the school year, so MG&DDINO 12 (7-17) happens in early/mid-May. MG&DDINO 1-11 & 12 (1-6) would be a month or two before that in the middle of the school year. MG&DDINO 12 (18-20) would be some time after that, quite likely after CWII finishes.
One useful visual cue in MG&DDINO in general: look at the moon in the night scenes--the artists tend to be pretty specific about that. (Lunella and Devil change places during the full moon.)

Lunella being Smartie #1 is not mentioned in the Extraordinary X-Men Annual story, which is good, because that should be shortly before the 12 (18-20)-18 sequence--she's apparently just met Forge in the EXM@ story.

What's going on in #12 is not a "science fair" as such, it's FIRST LEGO League, a real-world event that happens various times during the school year, but usually in the fall. MG&DDINO 12 (18-20)-18 takes place at "Halloween," and is definitely after Civil War II, thanks to Ironheart & Dr. Strange's appearances. #1-12 could be during CWII, though, I think.
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Thanks!

I haven't read Extraordinary X-Men Annual #1 yet (or any Extraordinary yet), but it looks like the Annual was published the same month as MG&DDINO 6 (yikes!), so it makes sense that it wasn't mentioned there.

I don't like to pull things out of publication order TOO far (like, I dunno, six months or so) unless it's story-required (all things being equal, publication order trumps topical references in my mind). MG&DDINO started publication before CWII did (by seven months!), so in theory MG&DDINO should start before CWII does. MG&DDINO 12 came out while CWII was still being published, so I can see it still happening before CWII.

If going by topical references (like say, the school year), ***IF*** CWII happens in June/July (which, so far, it very well could), then that's during summer break (I'd rather not assume Moon Girl has an irregular school schedule; there's no evidence of that. I'd rather not force that assumption just to fit things into an assumed calendar). In this particular case, topical references and publication order would more-or-less line up if MG&DDINO 1-11 happens before CWII. There's a nice big break in MG&DDINO 12 to accommodate the crossover so we might as well use it.

That's how I currently see it, anyway.

Also: "Smartie #1" HA! :lol:
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Col_Fury wrote: Sun Jun 03, 2018 3:48 am I don't like to pull things out of publication order TOO far (like, I dunno, six months or so) unless it's story-required (all things being equal, publication order trumps topical references in my mind). MG&DDINO started publication before CWII did (by seven months!), so in theory MG&DDINO should start before CWII does. MG&DDINO 12 came out while CWII was still being published, so I can see it still happening before CWII.
Good points! I'd say that MG&DDINO has a couple of odd aspects that are worth taking into consideration: Lunella is in 4th grade, which is a big part of the premise of the series (and if anyone is not going to need to repeat a grade, it's her), so as little time as possible should pass for her; she and Devil only change places during the full moon (if the MCP ever needs to coordinate her timeline with Jack Russell's, that'll be a thing); and her series' storylines so far tend to not have many breaks at all. I think Secret Empire, for instance, has to happen either between #18-19 or between #30-31, because Lunella and Devil are together in it, and Devil's not available to appear anywhere else between the beginning of "Girl-Moon" in #19 and the end of "Fantastic Three" in #30. (I strongly lean toward #18-19; #30 seems to be shortly before Marvel 2-In-One begins, which is also about five months before its pub date!) Same goes for Monsters Unleashed and every other place where Devil appears...

Also, CWII isn't the kind of story that demands the constant attention of everyone in it, like Secret Empire or Siege: it's seven bursts of concentrated activity over the course of about four months of in-story time, with room for a lot of other stuff to be happening for everyone who's not killed, injured or incarcerated in it.
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Yeah, MG&DDINO is a bit of an odd duck. I’ll let it simmer for a bit…

*

Maybe I missed something, but ANGELA:QHEL 1 starts off with Angela as the Queen of Hel (like, the first page), then flashes back to “8 months ago” to show how she took over Hel. When we get to her victory in ANGELA:QHEL 5, it then says “the next day” which brings us back to where ANGELA:QHEL 1 starts, then she abdicates the throne (meaning, she was queen of Hel for like, a day or so, right?). The she travels to Brooklyn and meets Thor in #6-7 and the series is over.

Does that mean ANGELA:QHEL 1-5 spans “eight months”? I guess it doesn’t really matter because Angela doesn’t make any appearances outside her own book at the time (and neither do Hela or Baldur).

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I wasn’t expecting that easy of a break in Mighty Thor…

MT2 1-5 is basically one big fight. MT2 6-7 happens some time later and only features Loki and the Roxxon guy (Thor doesn’t appear). MT2 8 happens at the same time VLOKI does. I’m currently under the impression that VLOKI happens after CWII, so, yeah. Nice and easy. (yes, there’s an offhand reference to She-Hulk in MT2 8, but if you swap out “green” with “grey” it still works. Or, it’s just a bluff)

*

SM2 1-5 seems to want to happen in a short timeframe but I see some possible breaks.

SM2 1-2 (1-19): after midterms but before the end of the school semester. Miles is getting not great grades (see you “Friday”). Black Cat gets the idea to go after Spider-Miles. Iron Man appears.
-a few days?-
SM2 2 (20) & 3 (1-18): A “Friday.” Miles’ mom has called her mom about Miles’ grades, who takes away Miles’ phone. She says he has to earn it back. Black Cat hires Hammerhead to go after Spider-Miles.
-a few weeks? A month or so?-
SM2 3 (19-20): Miles still doesn’t have his phone. Goldballs arrives at Miles’ school.
-a day or three?-
SM2 4-5 & 6 (1-5): Ganke is real excited about Goldballs going to their school. Miles now has his phone back (his mom tries to call him). Miles’ grandmother hires a private eye to spy on Miles; Jessica Jones does so in SM2 5 & #6 (1-5). Miles’ mom decides to get rid of the private eye.
-a few days at most?-
SM2 6 (6-20): CWII. Also, Miles’ mom tries to get Jones to stop following Miles.

In theory, SM2 3 (19-20) could be at the tail end of Miles trying to “earn his phone back,” which he would get back between SM2 3-4. Yes, Hammerhead was hired to go after Spider-Miles in #3, but if Miles was focusing on school and not making many appearances as Spider-Man, how would Hammerhead find him? OR, it took Hammerhead a while to triangulate where Spider-Miles normally swings by when he’s not with the Avengers. Or something.

*

As for “magic not working like it’s supposed to,” I think I’ve settled on SCRW2 (Scarlet Witch notices), DS4 (Doctor Strange notices, Scarlet Witch already has), HRC4 (Hercules mentions it), AVENGERS STANDOFF! (Doctor Voodoo mentions it).

SECRET WARS: July
ANT@ 1-FB
A:ROU
ANT@ 1
DOX 1-4 (Terrigen Cloud revealed to be deadly to mutants)
TAH 1-4-FBs (Cho becomes new Hulk)
DD5 17-20-FBs (DD’s secret ID restored) (Cho-Hulk appears)
DP&C:SS 1-3
CA:SAMW flashbacks
FCBD2015: A /2 (Johnny still in FF uniform)
CM8 1-5 (Capt. Marvel put in charge of Alpha Flight)
BK3 2-FB (preparing for Avengers roster change)
SQS4 1 (1 - 19:3)
A6 0 (after CM8 1, DOX 1-4; during SQS4 1; before ANADA 1, NA4 1, UA3 1, ULTS4 1, AFOR2 1, VIS3 1)
SQS4 1 (19:4 - 23)
AFOR2 1-7 (a day or two after A6 0)
KARNAK 1-6
V:SK 1-6
DRAX 1-11
UA@2 1
SBRAND&NMASK 1-6 (late August/early September)
VIS3 1 (1-14): September
SCRW2 1
GOI 1/2
RW2 1-6
WWORLD2 1-6
HTD5 7 ("several months" before HTD5 1, restored DD appears) (after A6 0)
VIS3 1 (15-20), 2: October
SCRW2 2
GOI 2/2
ANADM/PO: Halloween
COC 1-5, 6 (1-18) (shortly after ANADM/PO)
USQG2 6 (before USQG2 1)
HTD5 6 ("3 months" before HTD5 1)
VIS3 3 (no appearances for Vision between VIS3 2-3): November
MT2 1-5
NA4 1-2
USQG2 1 (after NA4 1)
ANHAWK2 1
NA4 3-6
ANADA 1-3 (team forms)
FCBD2015:A ("1st day as Avengers" for the kids)
UA3 1-4
MSM4 1-FB (after ANADA 1)
SQS4 2-5 ("months" after SQS4 1)
BK3 1-5
ASM4 1/2 (before SM2099v3 1)
ANHAWK2 2 (spans a month, roughly)
DD/P 1-4
GOI 3/2
DS4 1-3 (before ANW 4)
SCRW2 3-4
USQG2 2-5
ANADA 4-6
ANHAWK2 3-6
SM2099v3 1 (1-16) (before ASM4 1/3-1/6)
ASTONANT 1-FB (“8 months” before #1-13)
MSM4 1-3 ("6 weeks" after MSM4 1-FB)
ASM4 1/3-1/6 (before ASM4 1, SILK2 1, SW6 1, WWARR 1) (Spider-Woman 6 months pregnant, so December?)
SILK2 1 (the day after ASM4 1/3)
NO6 1-4
ASM4 1-5 (Parker Industries (already global) finally moves into Baxter Building) (before SS7 1-6)
VIS3 4-6: early December
SCRW2 5
ASTONANT 2-5-FBs (before CA:SAMW 3)
CA:SAMW 1-3 (after ANADA 1)
HRC4 1-6 (early/mid-December)
ASM4 1.1-1.4 (mid-December)
HCSHIELD 1-5 (shortly before Standoff!)
CA:SAMW 4-6 (2-3 weeks after CA:SAMW 1-3)
NA4 7
TAH 1-4
NO6 5-6
ILLUM 1-5 (right before Standoff!)
AOSHIELD 1-2 (lead-in to Standoff!)
AVENGERS STANDOFF! (ANADA 7-8, NA4 8-10, UA3 7-8, CA:SAMW 7-8, Alpha & Omega): December
AOSHIELD 5-6 (aftermath of Standoff!)
ILLUM 7 (right after Standoff!)
HTD5 1-3 (Gwenpool backups)
GP SPEC (Spider-Woman pregnant): Christmas Eve
DP&MFM 1-5 (between Christmas & New Year)
HTD5 1-FB ("1 month" before HTD5 1)
MSM4 4-6
VIS3 8-12 (after ANADA 1-3): January
ASM4 1.5-1.6 ("six weeks" after ASM4 1.1, so late January)
HTD5 1-4, 5 (1-18) (Galactus purple) (Kitty-as-Star-Lord appears)
ULTS4 1-2 (Galactus goes from purple to gold)
COC 6 (19-20), 7-10 (after ULTS4 1-2)
SS7 1-6 (after ASM4 1-5, after VIS3 8-12) (after Thanksgiving, X-Mas & New Year)
USQG2 7 (after ULTS4 1-2)
PATSYWAHCAT 1-7
HTD5 5 (19-20), 8-10, 11 (1-19) (Galactus now gold) ("classic" Dr. Strange)
SCRW2 6
SW6 1-4 (Spider-Woman gives birth, roughly 34 weeks after July, so March?)
SM/DP 6: March?
RR&GROOT 1-3 (Kitty-as-Star-Lord, no Peter) (“8 months” after Secret Wars)
SM/DP 1-3 (after ASM4 1 & SM/DP 6)
ANGELA:QHEL 1-7
DD5 1-5
GOI 4/2 (Venom & Human Torch; Capt. Marvel appears)
TAH 5-6
RR&GROOT 4 (Iron Man, Scarlet Witch, Ms. Marvel, others appear)
PM&IF3 1-4 (after SW6 4)
GOTG4 1-5 (Star-Lord stops being king, rejoins Guardians)
SLORD 6 (start) (Star-Lord & Kitty break up)
CA:SAMW 9 (restored Steve Cap makes public return)
GOI 5/2 (after Star-Lord & Kitty break up)
???MG&DDINO 1-11 & 12 (1-6) (1-2 months before MG&DDINO 12 (1-17)?) (Cho Hulk & Ms. Marvel appear)
RR&GROOT 5
SQS4 6-8
GOI 6/2 (Kitty-as-Star-Lord)
SCRW2 7
SW6 5 (few weeks/a month after SW6 4)
ULTS4 3-6
PM&IF3 5
CRNG2 1-11 / SILK2 2, ASM&SILK:SFE 1-4, SILK2 3-8 / SW6 6-7 / SWMEN A & O: April-May
HTD5 11 (20) ("3 months" after HTD5 11 (1-19))
ASM4 6-8
HYP 1-6 (after SQS4 6)
NHAWK2 1-6
SM2099v3 1 (17-20), 2-8
ASM4 9-11
MT2 6-7
SM2 1-2, 3 (1-18)
SLORD 6 (end), 7-8 (Kitty stops being Star-Lord) (Iron Man appears)
MOCK 1 (3-10)-FB
RR&GROOT 6
FCBD2016:CA / CA:SR 1-3 (after CA:SAMW 9)
UA3 9-12 (after CA:SAMW 9)
TB3 1-4 (after CA:SAMW 9)
GOI 7/2
MOCK 2
MOCK 1 (11-15)-FB
SCRW2 8
NA4 11
RR&GROOT 7
GOI 8/2 (Kitty no longer Star-Lord)
USQG2 8-11
ANADA 9 / NO6 7 / FCBD2016:CWII /2
ANADA 10-12
USQG2 12
MOCK 3
MOCK 1 (16-18)-FB
GOI 1-8
USQGBUM/U
???MG&DDINO 12 (7-17) (mid-May?)
USQG2 12-14 (Ant-Man & Iron Man appear)
IIM2 1-8 (no appearances for Iron Man between IIM2 8-9)
MOCK 4
MOCK 1
MOCK 5
DD5 6-7
V:SK 7-10
ASTONANT 6-11-FBs (after PM&IF3 5)
SILK2 9-13: May
SS7 7-14 (3 & ½ months after SS7 1-6)
SW6 8: (3 or 4 months after SW6 4 (baby’s 1st tooth), so June?)
IIM2 9-11 & 12-FB (a month after IIM2 8)
ASTONANT 1-13
CIVIL WAR II: June/July

Most likely during CWII at some point:

PM&IF3 6
MK8 1-14
ULTS4 7
MSM4 7
SM2099v3 9-12
DD5 8-9
SM2 3 (19-20), 4-6 (Jessica Jones appears)
ANADA@ 1
DD@4 1
DD5 10
INTIM 1-7
GOTG4 6-11 (after SLORD 6-8 & ANGELA:QHEL, Kitty no longer Star-Lord)
ASM4 12-18
ASM@4 1
USQG2 15


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A Year of Marvels: Amazing, Incredible, Uncanny, Unstoppable, TPB stories
All-New Inhumans 1-11
All-New Wolverine 1-9
All-New Wolverine Annual 1?
All-New X-Men v2 1-?
Black Panther v6 1-?
Black Widow v8 1-?
Carnage v2 12-16?
Deadpool v6 1-13
Deadpool Annual v3 1?
Extraordinary X-Men 1-?
Extraordinary X-Men Annual 1?
Old Man Logan v2 1-?
Punisher v11 1-?
Spider-Gwen v2 1-?
Spider-Gwen Annual 1?
Unbelievable Gwenpool 1-?
Uncanny Inhumans 1-10
Uncanny Inhumans Annual 1?
Uncanny X-Men v4 1-?
Web Warriors 1-11
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Col_Fury wrote: Sun Jun 03, 2018 7:12 pm MT2 8 happens at the same time VLOKI does. I’m currently under the impression that VLOKI happens after CWII, so, yeah. Nice and easy. (yes, there’s an offhand reference to She-Hulk in MT2 8, but if you swap out “green” with “grey” it still works. Or, it’s just a bluff)
Just adding my vote for Vote Loki occuring after CWII. That's where i have it in my original list.

The chronology so far is looking good. :thumbsup:
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Thanks!

Also, I'm finally getting around to reading SM/DP…

SM/DP 6 takes place somewhere after ASM4 1 and before SM/DP 1 (as previously noted). Yes, the first 19 pages takes place during the filming of a Deadpool movie, but they don’t see that movie on page 20; they see “Nighthawk vs. Hyperion: Yawn of Boredom.” On that last page Deadpool is complaining that the Deadpool movie was supposed to make him rich, but the check he got for stunt acting was for next to nothing.

The first 19 pages can’t take place a year ago because Spider-Man is already “Peter Parker’s bodyguard” (a year previous would be pre-SECRET WARS). The theory I’m running with is only “days or weeks” separate pages 1-19 and page 20. Spider-Man and Deadpool go to the Deadpool movie set and later go to see “Nighthawk vs. Hyperion.” Batman vs. Superman was released in late March (in the real world) which would be around the same time as Deadpool was filming (if it was delayed by a year, that is).

And I agree, there’s a break between SM/DP 3-4.

DP&C:SS 1-3 have to happen before Cable appears in UA3, and at a time before Cap (Sam) dismantles Hydra. I'd put it early on, shortly after SECRET WARS.

Edited into the above!

(also, SM/DP 4-5, etc. may be during CWII or after, but I'll have to read some Deadpool and other stuff first to know for sure)
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Col_Fury, I continue to be in awe of your ability to keep all this stuff straight.

One small note on Mockingbird placement: MOCK 2 is immediately before MOCK 1 (11-15)--Bobbi gets the "please report immediately" call and goes to the medical center in the outfit she's got on. Same deal with MOCK 3 being immediately before MOCK 1 (16-18), and MOCK 4 (4-20) being immediately before MOCK 1. Which is why she's wearing a wetsuit in #1 and #5.
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Ack! Yeah, I borked that one. :lol:

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DP6 1 starts (you guessed it) “8 months later.” I’ll just take that to mean “early on after SECRET WARS.”

Deadpool is already a member of the Avengers (so after A6 0), and it SEEMS Spider-Man is still on the team (so before UA3 1) (people believe he can get Spider-Man to do TV interviews). Matt Murdock appears and is “no longer in private practice,” so after his secret ID is restored. White Fox appears (who first appeared the previous month in COC 1), so likely after COC 1-6. Also, Sabretooth appears.

DP6 2 happens shortly after #1, a few days or maybe a week. Hawkeye appears.

DP6 3 happens the day after #2, and happens in a day.

DP6 3.1 happens in Mexico and has nothing to do with anything else (as long as it happens before Massacre’s next appearance in #5). Reprinted in English (poorly) in Deadpool: Massacre #1.

DP6 4-5 happens maybe a day or three after #3. “Deadpool’s Heroes for Hire” is now “Mercs for Money.” Some of the Uncanny Avengers appear.

DP6 6 takes place in the future (2099).

DP6 7 happens some time after #5, and spans an undetermined amount of time; during that time Deadpool goes to a Mardi Gras party. Other appearances for Deadpool during this time is fine.

DP6 7/2 is a Terror story that takes place shortly before DP6 1.

DP6 7/3 is a Stingray story after Deadpool’s Heroes for Hire have already formed. Probably before DP6 1, but after DP6 7/2. Steve Rogers appears.

DP6 7/4 is a Slapstick story that takes place at some point before DP6 1.

DP6 7/5 is how Deadpool met/inspired Massacre. Obviously before DP6 3.1, and most likely before DP6 1.

DP6 7/6 is a Foolkiller story:

DP6 7/6-FB Foolkiller starts taking Psychology 101
DP6 7 Foolkiller has been taking Psychology 101 for “a few weeks”
DP6 7/6 (1-9) Foolkiller tries to study for his psychology class (Mercs for Money appear)
DP6 7/6 (10) “weeks later” Foolkiller graduates from his psychology class (Mercs for Money appear)

Depending on if this is ever mentioned again, this story could take place during DP6 7 or after it.

DP6 7/7 reveals it was Solo posing as Deadpool during the adventure that made Deadpool famous and what gave him the idea to hire a bunch of mercs to dress like him. Likely very shortly after SECRET WARS, before DP&C:SS 1-3 and obviously before DP6 1 and the various backups (with the possible exception of DP6 7/5).

DP6 8-11 happens a week after DP6 7’s end, no appearances elsewhere for Deadpool between DP6 7-8. Magneto and Sabretooth appear (same months as UX4 4-7). Also, Rogue appears (same as UA3 6-9). Also, “classic” Doctor Strange appears.

DP6 12 is another “2099” story.

DP6 13 (as noted earlier) is actually four comics in one. Four different creative teams for the four different chapters/stories. So yes, this comic has to be between PM&IF3 4-5 and DD5 7-8 (and should be listed as DP6 13, DP6 13/2, DP6 13/3 & DP6 13/4). Also, the main action happens over two days, but there’s a “week later” bookend current day sequence starring Ben Urich.

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UINHS 0/2 starts a romance between Flint & Iso, which is referenced in UINHS 1/2. UINHS 1-4 shows how the Inhumans get Ahura back from Kang (also, FCBD2015: A /2 is referenced). So in theory:

FCBD2015:A /2
UINHS 0/2
UINHS 1/2
UINHS 1-4

ANINHS 1/2 happens “three months” before the first story and is where Crystal starts acting as a diplomat (or whatever).

ANINHS 1-4 is one mission for Crystal’s team, then they visit the Sin-Cong.

UINHS 5-7 happens in a night.

ANINHS 5-10 has Crystal investigating more of the skyspears (guest starring Spider-Man, same months as ASM4 9-11), then most of her team traveling to meet another group of Inhumans (without Crystal). There’s a small break between ANINHS 6-7.

ANINHS 8 and UINHS 8 happen at basically the same time, according to an editor’s note in ANINHS 8 (this is where Crystal went after ANINHS 6).

UINHS 8-9 happen in a day. Also, UINHS 8 is “8 months” after the first flashback, which is shortly after SECRET WARS. UINHS 8 (5-8)-FB is 8 months ago, and where Johnny becomes an ambassador. UINHS 8 (10-13)-FB is 7 months ago. UINHS 8 (15)-FB is 6 months ago, and before FCBD2015:A /2. UINHS 8 (16)-FB is 5 months ago, and before ANINHS 1 (and before ANINHS 1/2).

UINHS 10 wants to happen pretty much right after UINHS 7. In theory, that means 5-7 is one night, 8-9 is the next day and 10 is that night.

UINHS@ 1 is a fairly quick adventure featuring the All-New Inhumans team (so why is it in an Uncanny Annual? Odd). Published same month as ANINHS 10.

ANINHS 11 is Crystal’s birthday. Also, it’s apparently been “a few weeks” since ANINHS 1. I’m not sure that holds up…

UINHS 11 is a CWII tie-in.

So in theory:

UINHS 8 (5-8)-FB (8 months before UINHS 8) (July?)
UINHS 8 (10-13)-FB (7 months before UINHS 8) (August?)
UINHS 8 (15)-FB (6 months before UINHS 8) (September?)
FCBD2015:A /2
UINHS 8 (16)-FB (5 months before UINHS 8) (October?)
ANINHS 1/2 (3 months before ANINHS 1) (October?)
UINHS 0/2
UINHS 1/2
UINHS 1-4
ANINHS 1-4 (January?)
ANINHS 5-6
UINHS 5-10 (February?)
ANINHS 7-10
UINHS@ 1
ANINHS 11

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As noted earlier, the A Year of Marvels one-shots take place on various holidays. AYOM/:UNB, AYOM/:UNB /2, AYOM/:UNC, AYOM/:UNC /2, AYOM/ /11 & AYOM/ /12 all likely happen after CWII. I’ll just plug the others in:

SECRET WARS: July
UINHS 8 (5-8)-FB (8 months before UINHS 8) (July?)
ANT@ 1-FB
A:ROU
ANT@ 1
DP6 7/5
DP6 7/7
DOX 1-4 (Terrigen Cloud revealed to be deadly to mutants)
TAH 1-4-FBs (Cho becomes new Hulk)
DD5 17-20-FBs (DD’s secret ID restored) (Cho-Hulk appears)
DP&C:SS 1-3
CA:SAMW flashbacks
CM8 1-5 (Capt. Marvel put in charge of Alpha Flight)
BK3 2-FB (preparing for Avengers roster change)
UINHS 8 (10-13)-FB (7 months before UINHS 8) (August?)
SQS4 1 (1 - 19:3)
A6 0 (after CM8 1, DOX 1-4; during SQS4 1; before ANADA 1, NA4 1, UA3 1, ULTS4 1, AFOR2 1, VIS3 1)
SQS4 1 (19:4 - 23)
AFOR2 1-7 (a day or two after A6 0)
KARNAK 1-6
V:SK 1-6
DRAX 1-11
SBRAND&NMASK 1-6 (late August/early September)
VIS3 1 (1-14): September
UINHS 8 (15)-FB (6 months before UINHS 8) (September?)
FCBD2015: A /2 (Johnny still in FF uniform)
UA@2 1
DP6 7/4
SCRW2 1
GOI 1/2
RW2 1-6
WWORLD2 1-6
HTD5 7 ("several months" before HTD5 1, restored DD appears) (after A6 0)
VIS3 1 (15-20), 2: October
DP6 7/2
SCRW2 2
GOI 2/2
DP6 7/3
UINHS 8 (16)-FB (5 months before UINHS 8) (October?)
ANINHS 1/2 (3 months before ANINHS 1) (October?)
UINHS 0/2
UINHS 1/2
UINHS 1-4
ANADM/PO: Halloween
COC 1-5, 6 (1-18) (shortly after ANADM/PO)
DP6 1-3, 3.1, 4-5
USQG2 6 (before USQG2 1)
HTD5 6 ("3 months" before HTD5 1)
VIS3 3 (no appearances for Vision between VIS3 2-3): November
MT2 1-5
NA4 1-2
USQG2 1 (after NA4 1)
ANHAWK2 1
NA4 3-6
ANADA 1-3 (team forms)
FCBD2015:A ("1st day as Avengers" for the kids)
UA3 1-4
MSM4 1-FB (after ANADA 1)
SQS4 2-5 ("months" after SQS4 1)
BK3 1-5
ASM4 1/2 (before SM2099v3 1)
ANHAWK2 2 (spans a month, roughly)
DD/P 1-4
GOI 3/2
DS4 1-3 (before ANW 4)
SCRW2 3-4
USQG2 2-5
ANADA 4-6
ANHAWK2 3-6
SM2099v3 1 (1-16) (before ASM4 1/3-1/6)
ASTONANT 1-FB (“8 months” before #1-13)
MSM4 1-3 ("6 weeks" after MSM4 1-FB)
ASM4 1/3-1/6 (before ASM4 1, SILK2 1, SW6 1, WWARR 1) (Spider-Woman 6 months pregnant, so December?)
SILK2 1 (the day after ASM4 1/3)
NO6 1-4
ASM4 1-5 (Parker Industries (already global) finally moves into Baxter Building) (before SS7 1-6)
VIS3 4-6: early December
SCRW2 5
ASTONANT 2-5-FBs (before CA:SAMW 3)
CA:SAMW 1-3 (after ANADA 1)
HRC4 1-6 (early/mid-December)
ASM4 1.1-1.4 (mid-December)
HCSHIELD 1-5 (shortly before Standoff!)
CA:SAMW 4-6 (2-3 weeks after CA:SAMW 1-3)
NA4 7
TAH 1-4
NO6 5-6
ILLUM 1-5 (right before Standoff!)
AOSHIELD 1-2 (lead-in to Standoff!)
AVENGERS STANDOFF! (ANADA 7-8, NA4 8-10, UA3 7-8, CA:SAMW 7-8, Alpha & Omega): December
AOSHIELD 5-6 (aftermath of Standoff!)
ILLUM 7 (right after Standoff!)
HTD5 1-3 (Gwenpool backups)
GP SPEC (Spider-Woman pregnant): Christmas Eve
DP&MFM 1-5 (between Christmas & New Year)
HTD5 1-FB ("1 month" before HTD5 1)
MSM4 4-6
ANINHS 1-4 (January?)
VIS3 8-12 (after ANADA 1-3): January
DP6 7/6-FB (“a few weeks” before DP6 7)
ASM4 1.5-1.6 ("six weeks" after ASM4 1.1, so late January)
HTD5 1-4, 5 (1-18) (Galactus purple) (Kitty-as-Star-Lord appears)
ULTS4 1-2 (Galactus goes from purple to gold)
COC 6 (19-20), 7-10 (after ULTS4 1-2)
DP6 7 (1-18) (Mardi Gras)
AYOM/:A (Valentine’s)
SS7 1-6 (after ASM4 1-5, after VIS3 8-12) (after Thanksgiving, X-Mas & New Year)
USQG2 7 (after ULTS4 1-2)
PATSYWAHCAT 1-7
DP6 7/6 (1-9)
HTD5 5 (19-20), 8-10, 11 (1-19) (Galactus now gold) ("classic" Dr. Strange)
ANINHS 5-6
UINHS 5-10 (February?)
ANINHS 7-10
SCRW2 6
SW6 1-4 (Spider-Woman gives birth, roughly 34 weeks after July, so March?)
SM/DP 6: March?
RR&GROOT 1-3 (Kitty-as-Star-Lord, no Peter) (“8 months” after Secret Wars)
DP6 7/6 (10)
AYOM/:A /2 (Spring Break)
AYOM/:I (April Fools)
SM/DP 1-3 (after ASM4 1 & SM/DP 6)
ANGELA:QHEL 1-7
DD5 1-5
GOI 4/2 (Venom & Human Torch; Capt. Marvel appears)
TAH 5-6
DP6 7 (19-20), 8-11
RR&GROOT 4 (Iron Man, Scarlet Witch, Ms. Marvel, others appear)
PM&IF3 1-4 (after SW6 4)
GOTG4 1-5 (Star-Lord stops being king, rejoins Guardians)
SLORD 6 (start) (Star-Lord & Kitty break up)
CA:SAMW 9 (restored Steve Cap makes public return)
GOI 5/2 (after Star-Lord & Kitty break up)
???MG&DDINO 1-11 & 12 (1-6) (1-2 months before MG&DDINO 12 (1-17)?) (Cho Hulk & Ms. Marvel appear)
RR&GROOT 5
SQS4 6-8
GOI 6/2 (Kitty-as-Star-Lord)
SCRW2 7
SW6 5 (few weeks/a month after SW6 4)
ULTS4 3-6
CRNG2 1-11 / SILK2 2, ASM&SILK:SFE 1-4, SILK2 3-8 / SW6 6-7 / GWEN2 7-8 / SWMEN A & O: April-May
HTD5 11 (20) ("3 months" after HTD5 11 (1-19))
ASM4 6-8
HYP 1-6 (after SQS4 6)
NHAWK2 1-6
SM2099v3 1 (17-20), 2-8
ASM4 9-11
AYOM/:I /2 (Mother’s Day)
MT2 6-7
SM2 1-2, 3 (1-18)
SLORD 6 (end), 7-8 (Kitty stops being Star-Lord) (Iron Man appears)
MOCK 1 (3-10)-FB
RR&GROOT 6
FCBD2016:CA / CA:SR 1-3 (after CA:SAMW 9)
UA3 9-12 (after CA:SAMW 9)
TB3 1-4 (after CA:SAMW 9)
GOI 7/2
MOCK 2
MOCK 1 (11-15)-FB
SCRW2 8
NA4 11
RR&GROOT 7
GOI 8/2 (Kitty no longer Star-Lord)
DD5 6-7
USQG2 8-11
ANADA 9 / NO6 7 / FCBD2016:CWII /2
ANADA 10-12
USQG2 12
MOCK 3
MOCK 1 (16-18)-FB
GOI 1-8
DP6 13 (between DD5 7-8, PM&IF3 4-5)
USQGBUM/U
???MG&DDINO 12 (7-17) (mid-May?)
USQG2 12-14 (Ant-Man & Iron Man appear)
IIM2 1-8 (no appearances for Iron Man between IIM2 8-9)
PM&IF3 5
UINHS@ 1
MOCK 4
MOCK 1
MOCK 5
V:SK 7-10
ASTONANT 6-11-FBs (after PM&IF3 5)
SILK2 9-13: May
SS7 7-14 (3 & ½ months after SS7 1-6)
SW6 8: (3 or 4 months after SW6 4 (baby’s 1st tooth), so June?)
ANINHS 11
IIM2 9-11 & 12-FB (a month after IIM2 8)
ASTONANT 1-13
CIVIL WAR II: June/July

Most likely during CWII at some point:

AYOM/:UNS (1st day of summer)
PM&IF3 6
MK8 1-14
ULTS4 7
MSM4 7
SM2099v3 9-12
DD5 8-9
SM2 3 (19-20), 4-6 (Jessica Jones appears)
ANADA@ 1
DD@4 1
DD5 10
INTIM 1-7
GOTG4 6-11 (after SLORD 6-8 & ANGELA:QHEL, Kitty no longer Star-Lord)
ASM4 12-18
ASM@4 1
USQG2 15
AYOM/:UNS /2 (July 4th)


STILL TO DO:

All-New Wolverine 1-9
All-New Wolverine Annual 1?
All-New X-Men v2 1-?
Black Panther v6 1-?
Black Widow v8 1-?
Carnage v2 12-16?
Extraordinary X-Men 1-?
Extraordinary X-Men Annual 1?
Old Man Logan v2 1-?
Punisher v11 1-?
Spider-Gwen v2 1-?
Spider-Gwen Annual 1?
Unbelievable Gwenpool 1-?
Uncanny X-Men v4 1-?
Web Warriors 1-11
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Re: SECRET WARS to CIVIL WAR II

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Col_Fury wrote: Wed Jun 06, 2018 5:12 pm

DP6 7/6 is a Foolkiller story:

DP6 7/6-FB Foolkiller starts taking Psychology 101
DP6 7 Foolkiller has been taking Psychology 101 for “a few weeks”
DP6 7/6 (1-9) Foolkiller tries to study for his psychology class (Mercs for Money appear)
DP6 7/6 (10) “weeks later” Foolkiller graduates from his psychology class (Mercs for Money appear)

Depending on if this is ever mentioned again, this story could take place during DP6 7 or after it.
Yes, it's mentioned again- Bemis's 2016 Foolkiller limited series has the Foolkiller working as a psychiatrist.
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Re: SECRET WARS to CIVIL WAR II

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Thanks!

SGWEN2 1-6 happens fairly quickly on Earth-65, but in #3 Spider-Woman (Gwen) pops over to Earth-616 to visit Spider-Woman (Jessica Drew). She’s super pregnant, maybe 6 or 8 months? SGWEN2 1 starts with Gwen not having been Spider-Woman for at least a month.

SGWEN2 7-8 are part of the Spider-Women crossover.

GWEN@ 1 has several stories, some set in the past of Earth-65 and some in the current day. The last story has cameos by Spider-Woman (Jessica Drew) and Silk (same month as SILK2 9 & SW6 8). Another story is a Web Warriors story (same month as WWARR 8).

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WWARR started publication a month after SGWEN2 did (Spider-Woman (Gwen) is on the team).

WWARR 1 happens at some point after the ASM4 1 backups. Not immediately after; enough time for the alternate reality Electros to start working together.

WWARR 1-5 is one adventure with no breaks.

WWARR 6 happens shortly after #5, but not immediately. Some characters are trapped on Earth-001 during this time (or rather, can’t get back to their home reality), but not Spider-Woman (Gwen).

WWARR 7-11 happens a bit after #5. Again, one big adventure.

In theory:

SGWEN2 1-6
WWARR 1-6
SGQWEN2 7-8
SGWEN@ 1
WWARR 7-11

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CRNG2 1-5 happens in a day or so. CRNG2 6-10 happens “13 days later” and in late April (starting on the 26th) and a bunch of flashbacks fill in the difference. CRNG2 11-16 pick up seemingly a day or so later, but #16 says #1 was “months ago.” I guess there’s a bigger gap between #10-11 than appears.

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BW8 started publication two months before CWII, BP6 & UGP the month before and P11 the same month as. I haven’t read any of these yet, but it’s possible they could all start before, during or after CWII. I’ll still read ‘em to find out, but first I’m going to go over everything again to make sure things line up and then get started on the X-titles.
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Col_Fury wrote: Wed Jun 06, 2018 11:05 pm BW8 started publication two months before CWII, BP6 & UGP the month before and P11 the same month as. I haven’t read any of these yet, but it’s possible they could all start before, during or after CWII. I’ll still read ‘em to find out, but first I’m going to go over everything again to make sure things line up and then get started on the X-titles.
BW8 probably needs to occur prior to CWII. The series starts with issue 2, then moves to issue 1, then issues 3 & 4. From memory these all occur in short order, and are set in the winter. There are potential narrative breaks after issues 4, 8, and 10, plus lots of flashbacks to an earlier time. Iron Man appears in issue 6. Also, Nat cannot appear in anything else during this series, which seems to take place over a fairly short period of time, even with the potential narrative breaks. Hey, be sure to read the letters pages.. (self-plug) :)
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