StrayLamb wrote: ↑Thu May 11, 2023 12:45 am
X-Force 27-29 (a bit of time has gone by since 25-26, but Magneto is still on the Council, and X Lives/Deaths is pretty recent; Quentin Quire goes away). This seems like it should go as soon as possible after X - Lives/Deaths. The event is reported to a full meeting of the Quiet Council, and it seems to be more immediately after the event than Wolverine 20-23.
This is all great, thank you so much!
My argument for Wolverine 20-23 being before X-Force 27-29 is that Wolverine 20 notes that Logan slept 40 hours after the events of X Lives/Deaths, then went to the Pointe, where we pick up his story. In X-Force 27, Forge (who got depowered during X Deaths) has since died in Crucible and been resurrected, which suggests that a little while has gone by (the two Crucible nights during the run-up to the Hellfire Gala seem to be eight days apart). There also seems to have been a certain amount of fact-finding before the Quiet Council meeting, and Sage has prepared a proposal for resurrecting Omega Red with upgrades.
Clive_Reston wrote: ↑Thu May 11, 2023 2:20 amMy argument for Wolverine 20-23 being before X-Force 27-29 is that Wolverine 20 notes that Logan slept 40 hours after the events of X Lives/Deaths, then went to the Pointe, where we pick up his story. In X-Force 27, Forge (who got depowered during X Deaths) has since died in Crucible and been resurrected, which suggests that a little while has gone by (the two Crucible nights during the run-up to the Hellfire Gala seem to be eight days apart). There also seems to have been a certain amount of fact-finding before the Quiet Council meeting, and Sage has prepared a proposal for resurrecting Omega Red with upgrades.
Okay, sounds right.
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This week's X-Force #40 follows immediately from #39. (There are a couple of places in #39 where there could be a substantial break if one becomes necessary.)
There's a gap of at least a few days between X-Men #21 and 22, and it could be significantly more if needed. We seem to be not too long before this year's Hellfire Gala, at any rate.
Also, there's a lengthy flashback sequence in last week's Invincible Iron Man #6 with Emma Frost during Iron Man's "Silver Centurion" period (and Spider-Man appears in one panel in his black suit, because of course he does). The Bar with No Name is implied to be in NYC.
Also, there's a lengthy flashback sequence in last week's Invincible Iron Man #6 with Emma Frost during Iron Man's "Silver Centurion" period (and Spider-Man appears in one panel in his black suit, because of course he does). The Bar with No Name is implied to be in NYC.
Annoyingly, there was a SHIELD helicarrier in the flashback during a period where the helicarrier was destroyed. There was a "mini-carrier" in Hulk 219- I think we'll just have to assume this is the same carrier.
This week's Bishop: War College #4 and New Mutants: Lethal Legion #3 both continue merrily onward from the previous issues. Not a lot to report there, other than that the big cliffhanger in Bishop implies that Orchis doesn't know that Sabretooth's no longer in the Pit. Which seems odd, given the plot of Sabretooth & the Exiles.
And the new Storm #1, per an editorial note, "takes place around the time frame of Uncanny X-Men #176." (Xavier appears in a wheelchair, because obv there can't be a flashback title without some kind of continuity boo-boo.)
Xavier's legs don't fully heal until New Mutants 14. So presumably this takes place sometime after Scott and Maddie left on their honeymoon but before New Mutants 14.
Only one present-day-set X-title last week (Betsy Braddock: Captain Britain #4, which has no particular placement needs--I'm not even going to count Deadpool as an X-title any more until I see some evidence to the contrary), but a bunch this week. Bishop: War College #5 concludes that miniseries, takes place at a time when Sinister's in the pit, and appears to set up the new group of trainees who are in next week's Marvel's Voices: Pride special.
Also this week: Immortal X-Men #12 changes the lineup of the Quiet Council, so that could come in handy for placing further issues. Like X-Men: Before the Fall - Mutant First Strike #1, for instance, which is before this lineup shift but after Nightcrawler has left. (Also, those of you who like appearances by hyper-obscuro X-Men will be happy to see the likes of Alchemist, Thumbelina and, yes, Eye-Scream. Well, the Eye-Scream of 616, anyway, unless we want to move OBNOXIO 1 over to 616.) It appears to take place after the currently running X-Men Infinity Comics serial (with X-Men Green) has concluded, which is good, since Nightcrawler's still on the Council there.
Invincible Iron Man #7 and X-Men #23 both deal with Stark Sentinels being manufactured (and Dr. Stasis, Feilong and Nimrod all appear in the former; so does She-Hulk). The order is ambiguous--but the final scene of X-Men #23 is not long before this year's Hellfire Gala and, notably, very soon after ASM6 26!
EDITED TO ADD: Oh, huh: Feilong and Stark Sentinels also turn up in this week's Red Goblin #5, which is part 4 of Carnage Reigns. That might make for some interesting placement issues down the line (or not)!
This week's X-Men Red 12, Rogue & Gambit 4 and Wolverine 34 each follow directly from their previous issues. Depending on what follows later, there may or may not need to be a gap before the final scene of X-Men Red 12, since the rest of the issue is still pretty close to the end of Sins of Sinister. I am getting the sense that a lot of things are going to come together at this year's Hellfire Gala, but we'll see how that goes.
X-Men Unlimited Infinity Comic 91 wraps up the X-Men Green sequence that's been running since #86, in which Nightcrawler is still on the Council and the Treehouse is still around; as I mentioned in another thread, either it's going to have to be before 80-85 or it's going to have to squeeze between pages of Before the Fall: Sons of X.
More interesting, placement-wise, are four of the stories in the 2023 Marvel's Voices: Pride special. The first one is a Gwenpool story that takes place after Love Unlimited: Gwenpool Infinity Comic 43-48 (she's now an out and proud asexual). The fifth involves Gambit, Black Cat, Spider-Man and a somehow-alive-again-because-magic Candra, and an editorial note indicates that it's sometime before ASM6 11 (I'm inclined to put it in the wibbly-wobbly period before Destiny of X starts, though I suppose it could also be between the 2022 Hellfire Gala and Judgment Day--maybe Selene messing with the External Gate in Immortal X-Men 1-3 let Candra reclaim her bones?). The seventh is a Jumbo Carnation story where he's designing outfits for a Pride fashion show for America Chavez, Viv Vision (sometime after Love Unlimited Infinity Comic 7-12) and Northstar; nice to see him designing for something other than the Gala! And the eighth is a Gimmick story that takes place a little while after Bishop: War College 5 (and teases the forthcoming Dark X-Men series).
Also, Carnage 14 continues the Carnage Reigns crossover, and once again involves Feilong and the Stark Sentinels.
Betsy Braddock: Captain Britain 5, X-Force 41 and New Mutants: Lethal Legion 4 all continue directly from the previous issues; no placement surprises there. Xavier and a Krakoan gate appear in Ultimate Invasion 1, a little surprisingly.
X-Men Unlimited Infinity Comic 92 starts a new storyline, involving Madrox and the Fantastic Four (as they're appearing in their current series; an editorial note refers to #1-4). There's a flashback to "the last Hellfire Gala," in which Reed's wearing his outfit from the 2022 Gala.
Only three present-day titles between last week and this week. X-Men: Before the Fall - Heralds of Apocalypse 1 is sometime before X-Men Red 11-12 (and has lots of internal flashbacks, too). X-Men: Before the Fall - The Sinister Four 1 is sometime fairly shortly before Immortal X-Men 12 (and also has a bunch of flashbacks, including some that put Dr. Stasis and Mother Righteous BTS at some notable moments in the 616 timeline...). And X-Men 24 is mostly "just over 24 hours" before the 2023 Hellfire Gala (and suggests that next week's Rogue & Gambit #5 may require specific placement)... except for its final page, which is a full-on flash-forward to "X months later" and notes that that plot will be picked up in X-Men Unlimited!
(Just continuing to wave my lonely flag for a -FF indicator over here.)
One thing to note-Stasis's appearance in X-Men 23 takes place before the Sinister Four one-shot and therefore before Immortal X-Men 12. I'm not sure if we want to place all of X-Men 23 before Immortal X-Men 12 yet, or if we want to split the issue up- we'll have to wait and see.
In Captain America 750 Logan Is at Roger Aubrey's funeral. He's free from Beast control, so I think before Wolverine 26 or after the conclusion of Weapon of X
X-Men 24 is during the day leading up to the 2023 Gala; Immortal 12 is a little bit before that (and, judging by the two-page preview of Immortal 13, so is that issue). My guess is that the Captain America 750 cameo is after Weapons of X, though we'll see.
In the broadest strokes, the recent X-books sequence seems to go:
- Judgment Day
- The Labors of Magik (i.e. New Mutants 25-28)
- Sins of Sinister (and its surrounding material, including kinda-sorta Legion of X 7-10)
- Wolverine 27-35 and X-Force 34-42 (the whole "Weapons of X" thing)
- Dark Web
- the Brood story in Captain Marvel & X-Men
- and then the run-up to the 2023 Gala, with Stark Sentinels appearing in Invincible Iron Man and "Carnage Reigns" as well as X-Men, and Destiny trying to protect Manifold in Rogue & Gambit
This week's Immortal X-Men #13 has some... significant stuff going on. It's all before this year's Hellfire Gala, and the first two pages appear to be taking place during the final scene of #12.
X-Force #42 concludes the time-travel storyline, and nothing really seems to contradict my assumption that its "present day" is a while ago--the whole sequence from #34 to #42 is one big story (though there are opportunities for gaps in it if that turns out to be needed).
Rogue & Gambit #5 finishes off that story, and moves Manifold off the board for a bit; the Treehouse appears.
Logan appears in Fallen Friend: The Death of Ms. Marvel #1 (and Scott Summers appears on its online-only bonus page). It's not long after X-Men #23.
Somebody very Magneto-like turns up at the end of Scarlet Witch #6, but look at his neck--I suspect it's Joseph (cf. UX5 16). Been a while!
Note that in Immortal X-Men 13, Doug references the Fenris twins being trapped in the Pit, so the Bishop: War College series takes place before Immortal X-Men 13.
Another clue that it's Joseph in Scarlet Witch 6- Darcy refers to him as Joe in the letter at the end of the issue.
