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Re: SECRET EMPIRE to WAR of the REALMS

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an update:

SECEMP
U.S.A 10-FB (cleaning up Hydra cells)
EVVERSE 1-5
VVERSE:WS
VVERSE 1-5
BB 1-6, 7 (1 - 17) (Absorbing Man dies)
ROYALS 9-12 (after BB 6)
FCBD2017:ANGOTG, ANGOTG 1-2, 4-8, 10, 12
MCM 9, CM6 125-126
SMENII 1-5 (SHIELD shutting down)
SM2 16, 17 (1-12)
DEF5 4 (1-4)-FB
SM2 17 (13-20)
DEF5 4 (6-10)-FB (Defenders already a thing)
SM2 18-19 (Goldballs goes missing)
DEF5 3 (10 - 20), 4-5, 6 (1 - 17)
ASM4 32 (before M/:LEG)
AMERICA 7-12
USQG2 22-25
ICE 6-7
WX3 12-14
DPV.OML 1-5
DD5 26, 27 (1-7) (no DD appearances until DD5 27-28) (before M/:LEG)
TOS 103 (1-5)-FB ["one month" before TOS 100]
MU3 6-8
X:B 10-12
DS4 25
H4 11
MSM4 19-22 [summer]
SM/DP 23-27
UGP 21-25
IIM3 11
IM 593 (1-9)
M/:LEG (SHIELD’s "last day," Steve has shield & already on the road) (Kingpin running for mayor) ("Phoenix" Wolverine)
IM 593 (10-16)
CM6 127-129
CHMPS2 12
DS4 26
HAWK5 12-16
X:G 9-11
DAZZ3 1
DHAWK 51
MOKF 126
PP 63
SSBL&WP 36
LEGION 1-5
ASM 789 ("weeks" after SECEMP)
DP6 36, DDP 287-291
ASM 790
A6 11
SOV 1-5
FAL2 1-5 (1 - 19), 7-FB
DD5 27 (8-20), 28, DD 595 (1-5) (Kingpin becomes NYC mayor)
V 155-158 (Kingpin mayor)
PPSSM2 6, PPSSM 297-307 (Daredevil appears, Black Cat crimelord, Kingpin mayor)
LC 1-5, 166-169
ASM 791
X:G 12-15 & X:B 13-15 (Spider-Man & Champions appear)
ICE3 8-10
USQG2 26
DD 595 (6-20), 596
ASM:VINCA / ASM 792 / V 159 / ASM 793 / V 160 / ASM:VINCO (Black Cat crimelord)
V 161
CA 695 [“a few months” after SECEMP]
UA3 30 (after ASM 790)
ASM 794, 795-FB (Bobbi & Peter break up)
X:G 16-20
ANW 25-30
TOS 103 (6-10)-FB ["weeks after" (1-5)-FB]
BB 7 (18 - 20), BB 8 (1 - 17) (before X:R@ 1-FB)
JG 4-10 (before DS 383-FB)
PHXR:ROJG 1-3 (before GENX2 8)
JG 11 (1-28)
PHXR:ROJG 4-5
X:R@ 1-FB (after BB 8 & X:G 20, before ASTONX4 1)
JG 11 (29-30)
X:R@ 1
TOS 100 (1-7) / SECWARR2 6 (1-7) / TOS 100 (8-20) / SECWARR2 (8-20) (Chernaya coup)
SECWARR2 7-11 (Deadpool, Moon Girl, Ms. Marvel) [the 4 days following TOS 100]
TOS 103 (11-12)-FB ["4 days" after (6-10)-FB]
TOS 101, TOS 102 (1-16)
P 218-219 ["3 days" after TOS 100]
TOS 103 (13-15)-FB, TOS 102 (17-20), TOS 103-104 ["2 days" after TOS 101]
NM:DS 1-6-FBs
DS 383-FB (Loki becomes Sorcerer Supreme)
USQG2 27-30 (Loki very recently Sorcerer Supreme)
C4 1-5
SECWARR2 12
SM/DP 28-36
DS 381 (Strange a vet)
A 672-674 / CHMPS2 13-15 (Spider-Miles has web-shooters)
CHMPS2 16-18 [“days” after A 674]
CA 696
MU3 9-12
DD 597
ASM 795 (Loki Sorcerer Supreme) (Peter found new apartment)
X:B 16-20
ASM@ 42
GENX2 8-9 & GENX 85-87
DDP 292-296
ASM 796 (Stark gone for “months”)
IM 593 (17-18) (Sam is Falcon (after A6 11), Spider-Miles has web-shooters)
ASM@ 42/2
ANW 31
CHMPS2 19-21 (Alpha Flight & Capt. Marvel appear) (Vision has been helping w/new ship)
MK 188-193
X:G@ 1
SM/DP 37-50 (Thunderball a villain) [“weeks” after SM/DP 36]
IF5 1-7, IF 73-77
BP6 12 (19-20), BP6 13-18, BP 166-172 (Thunderball reformed?)
ICE3 11
X:G 21-25 (after ICE3 11)
ANW 32
X:B@ 1 / V 162-163 / X:B 21-22 (nu-X-Men in space)
WX3 15-16
V 164-165
MG&DDINO 19-23 (Devil Dinosaur gone)
ASM5 1 (10 - 12)-FB
MT2 20-23 & T 700-701 (grey She-Hulk appears)
M/2IO 1
MG&DDINO 24-30 (Devil Dinosaur back)
M/2IO 2
THANOS2 13-18
THANOSLEG (6-7)-FB
THANOS@2 1
FAL2 5 (20), 6-8
X:B 23-28
VIZED 1-5 (before ASM 800 & T 702) (nu-X-Men return from space) (Vision appears)
X:B 29-35
A 675-690 (Cho still Hulk, Spider-Miles, Strange blue cloak, Vision damaged)
M/2IO 3-6 (Thing & Torch unavailable until M/2IO 10) (before IM 600)
SM2 20-FB
SM2 20-21 (Miles loses web-shooters) (Cable appears) [“two weeks after” SM2 19]
M/2IO@ 1 (before IM 600)
C 150-154
M/2IO 7 (before IM 600)
IM 593 (19-22), 594-596, 598-FB (Spider-Miles appears) (Tony gets better, but not publicly)
SM2 234-239 & 240-FB (Goldballs returns) (SHIELD is gone a recent-ish thing) (still no web-shooters) (Stark “gone”) (Red Hulk appears) (Cable appears again) (after INFIM, Lucia von Bardas appears) (Champions appear) [3 or 5 days long]
SM2 240 (1-10) (Stark appears) ["34 hours" after SM2 240-FB]
U.S.A 10-12 (Red Hulk de-powered)
SM2 240 (11-12) (Sam still Nova) (Cho still Hulk)
DOMINO3 1-6 (Cho still Hulk, before X-wedding, before WX3 17)
M/2IO 8-10 (Thing & Torch return) (before PPSSM 308, FF6 1)
SM2 240 (13-14)
P 220-226, 227 (1-3) ["3 weeks" since TOS 100]
SM2 240 (15-20) (Miles leaves hospital)
IM 597-600 (Spider-Miles & Cable appear together) (after M/2IO@ 1 & M/2IO 7)
P 227 (4-20), 228 (Stark appears w/Rhodey)
TAH 23 & IH2 709-713 (1-17) (Cho & Unworthy Thor in space) [“1 month” before IH2 713 (18-20]
QS:NS 1-5 (Magneto in Madripoor)
BP@2 1
CA 697-700 (Stark -BTS, after IM 600)
C 155-159 (before ASTONX4 1-12)
HFW 1 (Colossus w/X-Men, no beard Nightcrawler, Iron Man appears, Madrox dead, Magneto in Madripoor, #hotclaws Wolverine)
NM:DS 1-2
MULTM 1-5 (Madrox returns, Archangel “fine”)
DS 382-385 (Loki stops as Sorcerer Supreme, Strange gets red cloak back)
BRSCRS 8-14 [lead-in to DS:DAMN]
DS:DAMN [“a couple of weeks” after DS 383-FB]
ASTONX4 1-12 (after BB 8 & X:B 35, before OML2 31, after MULTM 1-5)
PPSSM@2 1 (after V 165, before MSM4 34 for Shocker, Strange in blue cloak)
USQG2 31
RG&GAM 1-5
X:WED, X:G 26 (1-15), X:WED /2, X:G 26 (16-20), X:G 27-29, X:WED /3 (after RG&GAM & DS:DAMN)
X:G 30 (1-28) ("Phoenix" Wolverine appears)
MR&MRSX 1 (4-10)-FB
X:G 30 (29-30)
MR&MRSX 1 (1-11)
X:G 31-32 (Psylocke Asian)
HFW:MM 1-4 (Psylocke no longer Asian)
X:G 33-35 (Rogue & Gambit already in space)
MR&MRSX 1 (12-20), 2-4, 5 (1-18) (before DDP 300)
GOTG 146-150
ICDWN:AWLOCK 1
SH 161-FB, 160-FB, SH 159-162 (She-Hulk goes back to green)
ICDWN 1-5-FBs
IH2 713 (18-21) & IH2 714-717 (1-17) (Cho & Unworthy Thor return, Alpha Flight & Capt. Marvel, Spider-Miles) (Cho powered down)
IMMH 5-FB
DDP 297-300 (Mighty Thor appears) (Vision appears, but easily malfunctions)
T 702-706 (no more Mighty Thor, Strange still a vet)
MT:GATES
ICDWNP 1 (Loki appears)
SH 163
LJAW 1-4
FCBD2018:A/CA /2
CA8 1
ASM 797-801
WH 1-2 (Strange bearded, red cloak)
HFW:AA 1-4 (before X:R 1-FB, before A7 1?)
IMMH 1
DP:ASSN 1-6 (after DDP 300)
MK 194
T5 1-2, 3-FB, THANOSLEG (8-9)-FB, T5 3-4
ICDWN:CM 1 (after CM6 129)
OML2 31-35
FCBD2018:ASM (1-9:2)
ASM5 1 (4:3)-FB
FCBD2018:ASM (9:3)
ASM5 1 (4:4)-FB
FCBD2018:ASM (9:3)
OML2 41-FB
OML2 36-38 (before DD 598)
SENTRY3 3-FB (Strange doesn't appear, but has powers)
DD 598-605 (Black Cat crimelord, after DEF 6) (Purple Man still alive) [“about a month” since DD 595 (1-5)]
BB 8 (18 - 20), 9 (1 - 8) (Titania learns about Absorbing Man)
DEF5 6 (18 - 20), 7-9
BB 9 (9 - 20), 10 (1 - 8) (Captain America (Steve) & Unworthy Thor appear)
INHS:JD (1-13)
BB 10 (9-10)
INHS:JD (14-26) ~ BB 10 (11-14)
INHS:JD (27-30)
BB 10 (15-20), 11-12 (Absorbing Man returns)
ICDWN:DD 1
V:FH 1-5
ICDWN 1-4 (Groot back to normal size)
FCBD2018:A/CA (1-10:1), A7 1-6, FCBD2018:A/CA (10:2), 8-FB (Strange bearded, blue cloak) (Avengers form, Loki goes missing)
V4 1-6, 7-FB (same time as A7 1-6)
A7 8 (1-14), A7 12-FB
M/CP3 2/3
DP7 1-3 (Avengers w/bearded Strange appear, Sam-as-Nova appears, normal size Groot appears)
DS 390 (Strange shaves beard, no longer a vet) [“less than 2 weeks” after DS:DAMN]
JJ 12 (9-20), 13-17 (Purple Man dies)
DEF5 10 (no beard Strange, blue cloak)
DS5 1 (1-10) (Strange loses powers)
LC 170
JJ 18 (Thing appears)
EX4 1-12
BRSCRS 18-25 (after THANOSLEG (8-9)-FB & DS5 1 (1-10))
HFW:WL 1-4 (#hotclaws Wolverine in -FB)
MK 195-196
WKNDFVR:ASM 1, WKNDFVY:X 1, WKNDFVR:A 1 (no beard Nightcrawler, green She-Hulk w/Avengers, no Strange)
V@ 1 (after DEF5 10)
OML2 39-40
SENTRY3 1-5 (Avengers, no Strange)
IMMH 2
MG&DDINO 31
OML2 41-42
WX3 17-21
OML2 43-45 [“a few weeks” since OML2 38]
DS5 1 (11-20) (Strange leaves for space)
HFW:CK 1-4 (after X:B 35, before WX3 22-27, #hotclaws Wolverine)
WH 3-7
IMMH 3
WX3 22-27 (Sabretooth bad again, after HFW:CK)
IH2 717 (18-20) [“3 months” after IH2 717 (1-17)]
DP7 4
TSIM 1
ASTONX@2 1
SM@ 1
C&DP@ 1
TSIM 2
V4 7-FB, V4 8, WOV:CRNGB 1, WOV:VU 1, V4 9-12
USQG2 32-35 [mid-August]
PPSSM 308-309 (after M/2IO 10) (before ASM5 1)
USQG2 36-40
ASM5 1 (1-30), ASM5 2-FB-FB, ASM5 1 (31-40), ASM5 2-FB, ASM5 1 (41-42), ASM5 2, 3-FB, 3-4 (Avengers) [mid-August]
USQG2 41 (during ASM5 1-5)
ASM5 5
TSIM 3
X:BLK-M
MG&DDINO 32-36 (Thunderball replaced in Wrecking Crew)
MSM4 23-24 [mid/late-August]
PPSSM 310
MSM4 25-28 [early/mid-September]
M/R 0
MSM4 29-31[mid-September]
M/R:A
M/R:SQG/MSM, M/R:SQG/MSM /2, M/R:MSM/SQG, M/R:MSM/SQG /2, M/R:O (1-28)
MSM4 32-35
DS5 2
DD 606-608 (after HFW:WL)
X:BLK-MOJO
X:B 36
X:G 36 [a month or so after X:G 35]
M/R:O (29-30)
DS5 3
ICDWN:DHAWK 1-4
ICDWN:CHMPS 1-2 (Sam stops being Nova)
ASM5 6-7
FF6 1-4 (FF return) ("Phoenix" Wolverine appears)
M/2IO 11-12
X:BLK-MSTQ
DS5 4-6, 7 (1-14) (Strange returns from space)
ASM5 8-10 (Strange appears w/Kanna) (Mr. Fantastic appears)
DS5 7 (15-20), 8 (Kanna leaves Strange)
P12 1-5, 6xxx [mid/late September] (no Punisher until P12 6)
ICDWN:BW 1 (Strange in New York)
ICDWN 5
A7 8 (15-20), 9-10 (Loki returns, refers to ICDWNP 1) ("Phoenix" Wolverine leaves)
CGR 1-5
IWARSP 1
THANOSLEG
INFINITY WARS (Avengers) (Ant-Man returns to Earth)
IWARS ∞
ASGOTG 4 (12-20), 5
MSKRULLS 1-5 [early October]
ANT&WASP2 1-4, 5 (1-18) (Ant-Man back on Earth) [baseball playoffs] [early October]
RUN5 1-10 [middle of school semester]
TSIM 4
T5 8
ANT&WASP2 5 (19-20) [“2 weeks later”] [world series] [mid/late October]
MR&MRSX 5 (19-20) (Rogue & Gambit back on Earth)
A7 11
WCA3 1 (2-11)-FB
X:R 1-FB, X:R 2-3, X:R 4 (1-13), X:R 1 (no beard Nightcrawler, Gambit appears)
X:BLK-JUG
MK 197-200
CA8 2-5 [mid/late October]
DOINHS 1-5
WCA3 1 (12-15)-FB
DP7 5 [Halloween]
BPV.DP 1-5
RUN5 11
TSIM 5
SPIDER-GEDDON
MIMOSM 1-FB-FB
SGWEN:GS 4
WH 8-12 (after IWARS)
DP7 6 (FF & Doctor Strange appear)
X:R 4 (14-20), X:R 5-11 (bearded Nightcrawler, Gambit appears) (Avengers, no Strange) (Captain Marvel appears w/Avengers)
LOCM 1 (1 - 20) (no Captain Marvel appearances until this mini ends)
BP7 12 (12:4-14:3)-FB
SHURI 1 (1-3) (T’Challa goes missing)
BP7 12 (15:3-17)-FB
HFW:DE 1 (bearded Nightcrawler, #hotclaws Wolverine)
DOMINO@ 1 (after WX3 22?) (bearded Nightcrawler, Cable appears)
WCA3 1 (16-17)-FB
X-23v4 1-5
SHURI 1 (4-20), 2-4, 5 (1-17) (normal size Groot, Rocket Raccoon, Storm appear) [2 weeks after 1 (1-3)]
BORDER 1-5
SHURI 6-7 (Miles, Ms. Marvel appear) [lasts a week, during a school semester]
WCA3 1 (18)-FB, WCA3 1 (19-20)-FB, WCA3 2-3-FBs, WCA3 4 (1-16), WCA3 1-3, WCA3 4 (17-18)
WCA3 5 (1:1-1:5)-FB (Namor throwing a fit)
SEASBTGS (Cable appears) (Dr. Doom appears) [late November]
ICE4 1-2
X:BLK-EFROST (bearded Nightcrawler, Rogue appears so before MR&MRSX 6)
ICE4 3-5
DOMINO3 7-10
SHURI 5 (18-20) [2 weeks after 5 (1-17)]
SHURI 8-10 (Storm appears)
MAJX 1-6
EXTRMNTN 1-5 (Cable dies) ("Searebro" still in Atlantis, destroyed)
X:EXTRNTD 1
BP7 1-13??? (Storm appears) (T’Challa eventually returns)
NM:DS 3-6 (after EXTRMNTN, before ASTONX4 13-17)
ASTONX4 13-17 (after HFW:DE, EXTRMNTN, NM:DS, before ROW, MR&MRSX 6), UX5 (2)-FB
ROW 1-5 ("Searebro" gone, back to using Cerebro) (#hotclaws Wolverine back in action)
MSM4 36
TYPHOIDF:SM, TYPHOIDF:X, TYPHOIDF:IF
WCA3 4 (19-20)
MSM4 37
MERRYX HSPEC (Cable’s already dead, Arcade appears, Jubilee missing) (#hotclaws Wolverine in costume) [all thru December]
X-23v4 6 (after ASONX4 17) [near end of school semester]
MSM4 38
WOV:CCRNG 1
RUN5 12-14 [mid-December]
ASM5 11-13 (Arcade appears) [mid/late-December]
MERRYX HSPEC (Arcade defeated, Jubilee back) [all thru December]
DP7 7 (Santa’s missing) [December 25]
RUN5 15-19
MG&DDINO 37 (Santa’s back, Jubilee appears) [late December]
X-23v4 7-10
UX:WEND 1
OML2 46-47
MR&MRSX 6 (Rogue & Gambit vanish)
BW9 1-5 [New Year’s Eve]
SRSTAR 1-5 (after NM:DS 3-6, before XFOR5 1)
DP7 8
OML2 48-50, DML 1-12 (old man leaves, #hotclaws Wolverine appears, before UX5 1)
FNSM2 1/2, 1-5 (before ASM5 14) [January]
LOCM 1 (21 - 30), 4-5 (Captain Marvel's been out of public eye for 9 months (!))
X-23v4 11-12
???CGRDM/H 1-6???
GOTG5 1-6
DOMINO:HS 1-5
UX5 19 (3 - 8)-FB, UX5 1-9, UX@5 1, UX5 10 (1 - 27), UX5 19 (9 - 10)-FB (X-Men "die") (Captain Marvel appears by herself in space)
AOXM:O 1-FB
W:IW 1-5 (shortly after X-Men die, after FF5 4, IWARS ∞)
XFOR5 1-6 (after UX@5 1, UX5 10)
ASM5 14-18, 18.HU, 19, 19.HU, 20, 20.HU, 21-23 (Captain Marvel appears w/Avengers) (before P12 6) (between school semesters)
UX5 19 (11 - 13)-FB
CHMPS2 22-23, 26-FB (Vision repaired) (Miles recovering) (Sam no longer Nova)
ASM5 24, 25 (1-31)
CHMPS2 24 [early-to-mid January]
CHMPS2 25-27 (after ANT&WASP2 1-5, DP7 4)
CHMPS@ 1
ASM5 25 (32-45) (new school semester)
MIMOSM 1-FB (new school semester)
???MMSM 1-5 (new school semester)
RUN5 20-22 (new school semester)
P12 6xxx, 7-12 (at least 3 months since P12 1-6)
WSOL2 1-5
XFOR5 7-10
DP7 9 (Daredevil appears) [Valentine's]
M/K20TH 1-6 (lasts a month?)
DD 609-612 (Daredevil "dies")
MWF 1-xxx (Daredevil in hospital)
SUSM2 1-4
DS5 9-11
CM:B&M 1
A7 12, T5 9, T5 10-FB
MIMOSM 1-3 (before A7 14)
A7 14-17
USQG2 42
M/CP3 3/3
SUSM2 5-6
WCA3 5 (1:6-20)-FB, WCA3 6-7, WCA3 5, WCA3 8-FB, WCA3 8-10
UX5 10 (28 - 30), UX5 19 (14 - 18)-FB, UX5 11-12, 19 (19)-FB, 13-15 (weeks or months since UX5 10 (1 - 27)?)
MR&MRSX 7-10 (after UX5 11)
CM9 1-5
MR&MRSX 11-12
TSIM 6-11
MWF xxx-5 (Daredevil recovers)
ZIGGY PIG SILLY SEAL COMICS v2 #1 (Doctor Doom appears)
M/CP3 5/3
MIMOSM 4
DP7 10-12
M/TU4 1-3
FNSM2 6
M/CP3 6/3
M/R 1-5
SGWEN:GS 5-10
P12 13-???
IMMH 4-8 (after WH 12)
SS:BD 1, N:BD 1, DS:BD 1, IMMH:BD 1, DEF:BD 1
WOTR:WS 2/3-FB ["a few weeks" before WOTR]
IHRT 1
???INV3 1-6
CHMPS3 1-2 (Wasp appears)
UWASP2 1-7 (Nova appears) (beforeA:NRH)
CHMPS3 3-4 (8-ish days between CHMPS3 2-3) (Nova leaves, no Wasp)
UWASP2 8-10 (2 weeks after UWASP2 1)
IHRT 2-3
MG&DDINO 38-41 [a few days before summer vacation]
IHRT 4-5
???INV3 7-???
MG&DDINO 42
ASM5 25/2
FF5 5 (1 - 42), FFWED2, FF5 5 (43 - 60), 6-9 ["9 days" before WOTR]
T5 10 [Father’s Day?]
DS5 12-17
CA8 6 (Ross dies)
IMMH 9-13 (Ross’ spirit recently in hell)
A:NRH 1-10 (Avengers Legacy #708-717)
Hulkverines! #1-3
CA8 7 (less than a week after CA8 6, Cap learns Ross is dead)
IMMH 14-17, 18 (1 - 2) (Ross’ funeral, so about a week after CA8 6)
T5 11
ASGOTG 6-7
WAR of the REALMS


STILL TO DO:

BLACK PANTHER v7 #14-???
???INVADERS v3 #8-???
PUNISHER v12 #14-???
???RUNAWAYS v5 #23-???
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Re: SECRET EMPIRE to WAR of the REALMS

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UWASP2 10 ends the plot. There’s a gap of time near the end of the issue, but I’m willing to say the whole thing is before WOTR. Also, last issue of the series.

DOMINO:HS 5 ends the mini.

Edited into the above!

INV3 7 says it’s been “a rough few weeks” since last issue. Also, there’s a teaser at the end of the issue for the Absolute Carnage thing coming in October (I’m assuming this; IMMH 21 says that’s what IMMH 20’s teaser was for). Don’t forget Cap’s situation: he ends up in prison over in CA8 8 and will then be there for at least “two months.” CA8 7 is tied to IMMH 14-18, which then straddles WOTR.

So… is all of INV3 after WOTR? However, the next issue blurb says it will feature Roxxon, so maybe it is still before WOTR? But Captain Marvel approaches Namor for help during WOTR… I guess we'll have to see what role Roxxon plays in future issues of INV3 (meaning, #8).
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Re: SECRET EMPIRE to WAR of the REALMS

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I totally forgot about XFOR5 7-10. oops!

"A month" after #6 (which #7 spans) the team goes to the future and defeats Stryfe. The End.

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Re: SECRET EMPIRE to WAR of the REALMS

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M/R 5 finishes the plot.

SHURI 10 finishes the plot and the next issue blurb says that Black Panther returns next week in BP7 14, so that's nice.

MMSM 5 finishes the plot, but Ms. Marvel gets a new outfit. Depending on when / if her new suit starts showing up in other books, this whole volume may be after WOTR.

There's a nice clean break between ASM5 25-26, so we're finally past WOTR. yay!

DS5 16 has a lot of guest stars, including Valkyrie and Hulk. Valkyrie dies in WOTR, so we're still before that. This arc (DS5 12-17) was published after Galactus' appearance in FF6, so I guess the only spot is in here somewhere:

FF5 5 (1 - 42), FFWED2, FF5 5 (43 - 60), 6-9 ["9 days" before WOTR]
T5 10 [Father’s Day?]
CA8 6 (Ross dies)
IMMH 9-13 (Ross’ spirit recently in hell)

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Re: SECRET EMPIRE to WAR of the REALMS

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Hey, the lines

"P12 1-6 [mid/late September] (no Punisher until P12 6)"
and
"P12 6-12 (at least 3 months since P12 1-6)"

seem incompatible
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Re: SECRET EMPIRE to WAR of the REALMS

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Yes, P12 6 spans at least "three months."

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Col_Fury wrote: Mon Jul 01, 2019 5:34 pm I'm not sure what to make of CGDM/H (Cosmic Ghost Rider Destroys Marvel History). CGR travels to the past and tells inaccurate stories of the Marvel Universe to the Castle family before they're killed in Central Park. The last two issues aren't out yet, but if they count they'll have to go before GOTG5 1.
This one seems to take place in the divergent reality created when CGR messed up the timeline rather than the mainstream Earth.
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I don't believe we have ASM5 14-25 in the correct position.

ASM5 14 takes place after Miles Morales 1-3 as per the editorial note. ASM5 14 & 15 lead directly into ASM 16-23 (Hunted), which as noted is between school semesters. We have it placed in the January break, but ASM5 24 & 25, which take place a "few days" after Hunted, clearly take place during the Summer break, ASM5 24 specifically taking place on the evening of June 26.

I suggest moving ASM5 14-25 (1-31) to a position after T5 10 (Father's Day?), during the Summer Break. ASM 25 (32-45) is at the start of a new semester, so that would make it the beginning of September. Do we know when War of the Realms takes place? I haven't read thru that far yet. If it's still during the Summer break, then ASM5 (32-45) would likely take place after that.

P12 6xxx, 7-12 (at least 3 months since P12 1-6) & P12 13-??? would also have to be moved down to a position after ASM5 14.

[Edit: I see a note that War of the Realms takes place nine days after FF 5-9, so it would be during Summer Break.]
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WSOL2 1-5 is also placed in the winter, but takes place during the summer. The fireworks at the Shelbyville, Indiana Summer Fest are specifically mentioned as occuring the evening of WSOL2 1. Sharon Carter is already working for Ross.

I would suggest placing WSOL2 1-5 somewhere in this range, which places it in the summer, after IMMH 1-3..

ASM5 1 (1-30), ASM5 2-FB-FB, ASM5 1 (31-40), ASM5 2-FB, ASM5 1 (41-42), ASM5 2, 3-FB, 3-4 (Avengers) [mid-August]
USQG2 41 (during ASM5 1-5)
ASM5 5
TSIM 3
X:BLK-M
MG&DDINO 32-36 (Thunderball replaced in Wrecking Crew)
MSM4 23-24 [mid/late-August]

Also, the current day parts of M/CP3 7/3 occur in the summer, probably the following summer, likely just prior to where INV3 7 is currently positioned.
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M/K20TH 1-6 is problematic as far as chronology and even canonicity goes.

The angelic being posing as Karen Page notes that the X-Men should be active in Central Park, placing this prior to UX5 1-3.

Reed Richards is clean-shaven, and Sue has short hair, which hasn't been the case with either of them since their return from the Multiverse, and Steve Rogers is Old Man Rogers, being pushed around in a wheel-chair, which leads me to believe this entire series is non-canon.
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Re: SECRET EMPIRE to WAR of the REALMS

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I have some questions about
FCBD2017:ANGOTG, ANGOTG 1-2, 4-8, 10, 12, and 3

In the FCBD , quill mentioned is the second time he been arrested by Nova Forces. I suggest the first time is in#5, when being chased by Adsit.

In #5 Quill has retrieved the gyroscope for Rocket's giant mech. I assume the mech is Galactus as seen in #1

In #3, Rocket talks about the gyroscope that Quill retrieved

So...
5, 3, FCBD, 1-2, 4, 6-8, 10,12 ?

Why is#3 posted so far back? Either way I think 5 needs to come before 3
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Superior Spider-Man 1-6 look like they should be kept together. Issue 5 is Emma & Otto's first date, which was supposed to be the evening following the end of issue 4, and even if it was put back, it should probably only be a day or so. If we're worrying about Otto's arm, i'm sure he heals quickly. After all, he was back in action the morning after the battle, helping the rescue crews.

The main thing however, is that this is set at the end of the college semester, with "Tolliver" giving his end-of-term lecture in issue 1. I suggest these issues should be placed earlier in the scheme, probably just after X-23v4 6.

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X-23v4 6 (after ASONX4 17) [near end of school semester]
SUSM2 1-6 [end of semester]
MSM4 38
WOV:CCRNG 1
RUN5 12-14 [mid-December]
ASM5 11-13 (Arcade appears) [mid/late-December]
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DD 609-612 (Daredevil "dies")
MWF 1-xxx (Daredevil in hospital)
SUSM2 1-4
DS5 9-11
CM:B&M 1
A7 12, T5 9, T5 10-FB
MIMOSM 1-3 (before A7 14)
A7 14-17
USQG2 42
M/CP3 3/3
SUSM2 5-6
WCA3 5 (1:6-20)-FB, WCA3 6-7, WCA3 5, WCA3 8-FB, WCA3 8-10
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DS5 10/2 appears to belong just before DS5 9, as does the DS5 10-FB..

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SUSM2 1-4
DS5 10/2
DS5 10-FB

DS5 9-11
CM:B&M 1
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DS5 10/4 takes place somewhere during War of the Realms.
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Miles Morales: Spider-Man 1 appears to have two flashbacks, not counting the FB-FB within the first flashback.

MIMOSM 1 (2-4)-FB (new school semester; Miles starts his journal)
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MIMOSM 1 (5-6)-FB (Miles, Ganke & Judge in the dorm-room; Miles rescues the baby) [which leads into Miles swinging thru NY, updating his journal, and returning late to his room...]
MIMOSM 1-3 (before A7 14)
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I couldn't find Col_Fury's notes on UX5 11-15, but it seems like these isues should take place during the winter, since it's snowing all thru issue 11. The entire sequence seems to take place over a couple of weeks.

UX5 11 (1-3) appears to be a flashback. Cyclops visits the fenced-off ruins of the Xavier Institute in Central Park, then watches as a newsman reports that it was announced today that the Anti-Mutant Vaccine has passed clinical trials and is set to launch nationwide later this year. This should go after UX5 19 (11-13).

UX5 10 (28-30) has the Anti-Mutant Vaccine being put into circulation at neighborhood clinics.

UX5 19 (14-18)

UX 11/2 (1-12) Logan meets up with the Morlocks.

UX5 11 (4-30) The Anti-Mutant Vaccine is already being distributed, and the ruins of the Xavier Institute are being bulldozed over.

UX5 11 (4-15) Two days after UX5 11/2 (1-12). Cyclops encounters Blindfold and the Morlocks.

UX5 11/2 (13-15) Logan talks to Blindfold.

UX5 11/3 goes in here.

UX5 11 (16) Cyclops dicovers Blindfold's body.

UX5 11/2 (16-17) Captain America, Black Widow, Winter Soldier and Logan at the Prestel rally.

UX5 11 (17-21) ~ UX5 11/2 (18) Cap and Cyclops at the rally.

UX5 11 (22-30) ~ UX5 11/2 (19-21) Cyclops and Logan meets up at Westchester.

UX5 12 Follows on immediately as Logan stitches up Cyclops' wounds.

UX5 19 (19)-FB As per Col_Fury's placement.

UX5 13 The X-Men are hiding out at Harry’s Hideaway in Salem Center. Probably no more than a couple of days later.

UX5 14 Dark Beast has been working day and night, so probably several days later.

UX5 15 (1-15) Follows on directly from UX5 14.

UX5 15 (16-21) Six days later.

To keep UX5 11 in the winter, the Anti-Mutant Vaccine would have to have been rushed thru faster that was initially anticipated in prior reporting, but that's not remotely out of the question considering the Anti-Mutant feeling goin on. Also, other countries have already put the Anti-Mutant Vaccine into use as per UX5 11 (1-3)-FB, so it was probably rushed thru in the US.

So far, everything i've read past DP7 9 (Valentine's Day) appears to be set in the Spring, apart from those issues i've already advocated moving, so there's plenty of late winter left for all of this to be placed in at this point, and still allowing for the "weeks" after UX5 10, without having another snowy spell after a lot of t-shirts and sunny days have been seen in later comics. Placing these issues here doesn't seem to be change the characters overall appearances in relation to each other.

It appears that these issues have been placed later in the scheme in order to have CM9 1-5 after Carol's appearance in A7 14-17, but i don't believe this placement is correct. Col_Fury makes the following observations:

CM:B&M 1 (Captain Marvel: Braver & Mightier) happens in a day, and is Carol’s return to public life. CM9 1 is where Stark tells her that her polling isn’t great, so she’s been back for a little bit by then.
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CM:B&M 1 (returns from space)
CM9 1-5 (back with Avengers full-time)

I can't see anything in CM:B&M 1 that asserts this is when Carol returns from space. She's battling an alien invasion armada on the edge of Earth's atmosphere, but the Captain Marvel Day celebration is already under way. CM9 1-5 doesn't say that Carol is back with the Avengers. On the contrary, Tony Stark tells Carol they want her back with the Avengers. She's been back a little while but appears to have been keeping out of the spotlight. Even Jessica Drew, ostensibly Carol's best friend, doesn't appear to have seen her since she returned, and she hasn't made contact with Rhodey. Tony tells Carol her polling isn't great because people can't relate to what she's been doing away in space, not due to anything she's been doing since she arrived back on Earth. When Captain America tells Carol it’s great to have her back with the Avengers full-time, he's just arrived with Thor and Iron Man, who has probably just told them Carol has agreed to rejoin the Avengers full-time, in his usual manner of jumping the gun. This all appears to me that it must occur prior to CM:B&M 1, where the public has embraced Carol's return to public life. This position is also supported by CM9 2, where New Yorkers being interiewed on tv news were unaware Carol had returned from space.

Moving all of this back to late Winter with UX5 11-15 and MR&MRSX 7-12 seems to work well in the overall scheme. MR&MRSX 9 says it's been "weeks" since the party in issue 6. Also MR&MRSX 6 needs a break inserted. The final page must occur immediatley prior to issue 7. The entire Mojoworld sequence from the end of issue 6 thru issue 20, and into issues 11 & 12, must occur during the six day break in UX5 15, even though Rogue and Remy must have been on Mojoworld for a few weeks since they were transported there in issue 6. Remy's thoughts in issue 9 indicate that he is already aware of what has happened to the X-Men, but this can't be true, as issue 11 makes it pretty clear they had no idea what had occured between the party in issue 6 and their return in issue 10, having been on Mojoworld for a few weeks. The footnote in MR&MRSX 11 refers the reader to UX5 11, but this must occur slightly afterwards, as Remy thinks he would have liked to join Cyclops & Wolverine. The only real place during UX5 11-15 where the word could have started to be spread about Cyclops and Wolverine working together is during the six day break in UX5 15.

I have the sequence worked out with page breaks..

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MR&MRSX 6 (1 - 19) (The party)
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UX5 10 (28 - 30), 19 (14 - 18)-FB, 11/2 (1-12), 11 (4-30), 11 (4-15), 11/2 (13-15), 11/3, 11 (16), 11/2 (16-17), 11 (17-21) ~ 11/2 (18), 11 (22-30) ~ 11/2 (19-21), 12, 19 (19)-FB, 13-15 (1 -16)
MR&MRSX 6 (20), 7-10 (1 – 16) [Rogue & Gambit in Mojoworld, where they have been for a few weeks at this point]
CM9 1 (1 - 29), 2, 3 (1 - 15), 1 (30) [Carol returns to public life, gets stuck on Roosevelt Island, leads resistance]
MR&MRSX 10 (17 – 20) [Rogue & Gambit have returned]
CM 9 3 (16 - 20), 4, 5 (1 - 20) [Carol & Rogue on Roosevelt Island]
MR&MRSX 11-12 [Gambit in New Orleans]
CM9 5 (21 - 22) [Two days later]
UX5 15 (17 - 21) [Six Days Later]

This gives us the following X-Men sequence..

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MR&MRSX 6 (1 - 19) (The party)
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UX5 19 (3 - 8)-FB, UX5 1-9, UX@5 1, UX5 10 (1 - 27), UX5 19 (9 - 10)-FB (X-Men "die") (Captain Marvel appears by herself in space)
AOXM:O 1-FB
W:IW 1-5 (shortly after X-Men die, after FF5 4, IWARS ∞)
XFOR5 1-6 (after UX@5 1, UX5 10)
ASM5 14-18, 18.HU, 19, 19.HU, 20, 20.HU, 21-23 (Captain Marvel appears w/Avengers) (before P12 6) (between school semesters)
UX5 19 (11 - 13)-FB
UX5 11 (1-3)-FB
CHMPS2 22-23, 26-FB (Vision repaired) (Miles recovering) (Sam no longer Nova)
ASM5 24, 25 (1-31)
CHMPS2 24 [early-to-mid January]
CHMPS2 25-27 (after ANT&WASP2 1-5, DP7 4)
CHMPS@ 1
ASM5 25 (32-45) (new school semester)
MIMOSM 1-FB (new school semester)
???MMSM 1-5 (new school semester)
RUN5 20-22 (new school semester)
P12 6xxx, 7-12 (at least 3 months since P12 1-6)
WSOL2 1-5
XFOR5 7-10
DP7 9 (Daredevil appears) [Valentine's]
UX5 10 (28 - 30), 19 (14 - 18)-FB, 11/2 (1-12), 11 (4-30), 11 (4-15), 11/2 (13-15), 11/3, 11 (16), 11/2 (16-17), 11 (17-21) ~ 11/2 (18), 11 (22-30) ~ 11/2 (19-21), 12, 19 (19)-FB, 13-15 (1 -16)
MR&MRSX 6 (20), 7-10 (1 – 16) [Rogue & Gambit in Mojoworld, where they have been for a few weeks at this point]
CM9 1 (1 - 29), 2, 3 (1 - 15), 1 (30) [Carol returns to public life, gets stuck on Roosevelt Island, leads resistance]
MR&MRSX 10 (17 – 20) [Rogue & Gambit have returned]
CM 9 3 (16 - 20), 4, 5 (1 - 20) [Carol & Rogue on Roosevelt Island]
MR&MRSX 11-12 [Gambit in New Orleans]
CM9 5 (21 - 22) [Two days later]
UX5 15 (17 - 21) [Six Days Later]

M/K20TH 1-6 (lasts a month?)
DD 609-612 (Daredevil "dies")
MWF 1-xxx (Daredevil in hospital)
SUSM2 1-4
DS5 9-11
CM:B&M 1
A7 12, T5 9, T5 10-FB
MIMOSM 1-3 (before A7 14)
A7 14-17
USQG2 42
M/CP3 3/3
SUSM2 5-6
WCA3 5 (1:6-20)-FB, WCA3 6-7, WCA3 5, WCA3 8-FB, WCA3 8-10
UX5 10 (28 - 30), UX5 19 (14 - 18)-FB, UX5 11-12, 19 (19)-FB, 13-15 (weeks or months since UX5 10 (1 - 27)?)
MR&MRSX 7-10 (after UX5 11)
CM9 1-5
MR&MRSX 11-12

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Here's a summary of the proposed changes i've made over the past week or so, with a tweak on page numbers for Man Without Fear 1-5..


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ASM5 1 (1-30), ASM5 2-FB-FB, ASM5 1 (31-40), ASM5 2-FB, ASM5 1 (41-42), ASM5 2, 3-FB, 3-4 (Avengers) [mid-August]
USQG2 41 (during ASM5 1-5)
ASM5 5
TSIM 3
X:BLK-M
WSOL2 1-5
MG&DDINO 32-36 (Thunderball replaced in Wrecking Crew)
MSM4 23-24 [mid/late-August]
PPSSM 310
MSM4 25-28 [early/mid-September]
M/R 0
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ROW 1-5 ("Searebro" gone, back to using Cerebro) (#hotclaws Wolverine back in action)
MSM4 36
TYPHOIDF:SM, TYPHOIDF:X, TYPHOIDF:IF
WCA3 4 (19-20)
MSM4 37
MERRYX HSPEC (Cable’s already dead, Arcade appears, Jubilee missing) (#hotclaws Wolverine in costume) [all thru December]
X-23v4 6 (after ASONX4 17) [near end of school semester]
SUSM2 1-6 [End of Semester]
MSM4 38
WOV:CCRNG 1
RUN5 12-14 [mid-December]
ASM5 11-13 (Arcade appears) [mid/late-December]
MERRYX HSPEC (Arcade defeated, Jubilee back) [all thru December]
DP7 7 (Santa’s missing) [December 25]
RUN5 15-19
MG&DDINO 37 (Santa’s back, Jubilee appears) [late December]
X-23v4 7-10
UX:WEND 1
OML2 46-47
MR&MRSX 6 (1 - 19) (The Party)
BW9 1-5 [New Year’s Eve]
SRSTAR 1-5 (after NM:DS 3-6, before XFOR5 1)
DP7 8
OML2 48-50, DML 1-12 (old man leaves, #hotclaws Wolverine appears, before UX5 1)
FNSM2 1/2, 1-5 (before ASM5 14) [January]
LOCM 1 (21 - 30), 4-5 (Captain Marvel's been out of public eye for 9 months (!))
X-23v4 11-12
???CGRDM/H 1-6???
GOTG5 1-6
DOMINO:HS 1-5
UX5 19 (3 - 8)-FB, UX5 1-9, UX@5 1, UX5 10 (1 - 27), UX5 19 (9 - 10)-FB (X-Men "die") (Captain Marvel appears by herself in space)
AOXM:O 1-FB
W:IW 1-5 (shortly after X-Men die, after FF5 4, IWARS ∞)
XFOR5 1-6 (after UX@5 1, UX5 10)
ASM5 14-18, 18.HU, 19, 19.HU, 20, 20.HU, 21-23 (Captain Marvel appears w/Avengers) (before P12 6) (between school semesters)
UX5 19 (11 - 13)-FB
UX5 11 (1-3)-FB
CHMPS2 22-23, 26-FB (Vision repaired) (Miles recovering) (Sam no longer Nova)
ASM5 24, 25 (1-31)
CHMPS2 24 [early-to-mid January]
CHMPS2 25-27 (after ANT&WASP2 1-5, DP7 4)
CHMPS@ 1
ASM5 25 (32-45) (new school semester)
MIMOSM 1-FB (new school semester)
???MMSM 1-5 (new school semester)
RUN5 20-22 (new school semester)
P12 6xxx, 7-12 (at least 3 months since P12 1-6)
WSOL2 1-5
XFOR5 7-10
DP7 9 (Daredevil appears) [Valentine's]
UX5 10 (28 - 30), 19 (14 - 18)-FB, 11/2 (1-12), 11 (4-30), 11 (4-15), 11/2 (13-15), 11/3, 11 (16), 11/2 (16-17), 11 (17-21) ~ 11/2 (18), 11 (22-30) ~ 11/2 (19-21), 12, 19 (19)-FB, 13-15 (1 -16)
MR&MRSX 6 (20), 7-10 (1 – 16)
CM9 1 (1 - 29), 2, 3 (1 - 15), 1 (30)
MR&MRSX 10 (17 – 20)
CM 9 3 (16 - 20), 4, 5 (1 - 20)
MR&MRSX 11-12
CM9 5 (21 - 22)
UX5 15 (17 - 21)

M/K20TH 1-6 (lasts a month?)
DD 609-612 (Daredevil "dies")
MWF 1 - 4 (1 - 12) (Daredevil in hospital)
SUSM2 1-4
DS5 10/2
DS5 10-FB

DS5 9-11
CM:B&M 1
A7 12, T5 9, T5 10-FB
MIMOSM 1 (5-6)-FB
MIMOSM 1-3 (before A7 14)
A7 14-17
USQG2 42
M/CP3 3/3
SUSM2 5-6
WCA3 5 (1:6-20)-FB, WCA3 6-7, WCA3 5, WCA3 8-FB, WCA3 8-10
UX5 10 (28 - 30), UX5 19 (14 - 18)-FB, UX5 11-12, 19 (19)-FB, 13-15 (weeks or months since UX5 10 (1 - 27)?)
MR&MRSX 7-10 (after UX5 11)
CM9 1-5
MR&MRSX 11-12

TSIM 6-11
MWF 5 (13-19) (Daredevil recovers)
ZIGGY PIG SILLY SEAL COMICS v2 #1 (Doctor Doom appears)
M/CP3 5/3
MIMOSM 4
DP7 10-12
M/TU4 1-3
FNSM2 6
M/CP3 6/3
M/R 1-5
SGWEN:GS 5-10
P12 13-???
IMMH 4-8 (after WH 12)
SS:BD 1, N:BD 1, DS:BD 1, IMMH:BD 1, DEF:BD 1
WOTR:WS 2/3-FB ["a few weeks" before WOTR]
IHRT 1
???INV3 1-6
CHMPS3 1-2 (Wasp appears)
UWASP2 1-7 (Nova appears) (beforeA:NRH)
CHMPS3 3-4 (8-ish days between CHMPS3 2-3) (Nova leaves, no Wasp)
UWASP2 8-10 (2 weeks after UWASP2 1)
IHRT 2-3
MG&DDINO 38-41 [a few days before summer vacation]
IHRT 4-5
M/CP3 7/3
???INV3 7-???
MG&DDINO 42
ASM5 25/2??
FF5 5 (1 - 42), FFWED2, FF5 5 (43 - 60), 6-9 ["9 days" before WOTR]
T5 10 [Father’s Day?]
DS5 12-17
ASM5 14-18, 18.HU, 19, 19.HU, 20, 20.HU, 21-25 (1-31) (Captain Marvel appears w/Avengers) (before P12 6) (between school semesters)
CA8 6 (Ross dies)
IMMH 9-13 (Ross’ spirit recently in hell)
A:NRH 1-10 (Avengers Legacy #708-717)
Hulkverines! #1-3
CA8 7 (less than a week after CA8 6, Cap learns Ross is dead)
IMMH 14-17, 18 (1 - 2) (Ross’ funeral, so about a week after CA8 6)
T5 11
ASGOTG 6-7
WAR of the REALMS

[Well, i did one more edit to better streamline the Captain Marvel/Mr & Mrs X sequence]
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