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Re: SIEGE to FEAR ITSELF

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I flipped through Warriors Three and Mr. Fantastic is still wearing his classic costume and not the white FF ones. So it may be Warriors Three that needs to be moved in the Spider-Man, Thing, and Mr. F chronologies instead of the Avengers Academy issues in Thor's.
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Re: SIEGE to FEAR ITSELF

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Yep, you're right :thumbsup:

I thought that might happen, but i ran out of time to double check last night.

To reiterate, there is a discrepancy between character chronologies for the relative placements of Warriors Three 1-4 and Avengers Academy 11-12.

Thor has Warriors Three listed prior to Avengers Academy 11-12. The Thing has it listed after Avengers Academy 11-12 and F.F. 1-2. Mr Fantastic also lists Warriors Three after F.F. 1-2. As BlakeComeaux points out above, "Mr. Fantastic is still wearing his classic costume and not the white FF ones. So it may be Warriors Three that needs to be moved in the Spider-Man, Thing, and Mr. F chronologies instead of the Avengers Academy issues in Thor's.

THOR
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SKAAR:KSL 5
WARRSTHREE 1
WARRSTHREE 4
T 620.1-FB
T 620.1
T 615
T 616
T 617
T 618
T 619
T 620
T 621
AACAD 11
AACAD 12
HAWK:BS 1

Spider-Man needs no alteration. Proposed alterations for Mr Fantastic and The Thing..

MR FANTASTIC/REED RICHARDS
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IM2.0 1-FB
WARRSTHREE 2 * MOVE TO HERE
F.F. 1
F.F. 2
WARRSTHREE 2 * MOVE FROM HERE
SG2 6
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THING2/BENJAMIN J GRIMM
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NA2 14-FB
WARRSTHREE 2 * MOVE TO HERE
AACAD 11
AACAD 12-BTS
F.F. 1
F.F. 2
WARRSTHREE 2 * MOVE FROM HERE
SG2 6
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Re: SIEGE to FEAR ITSELF

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You've got X-Factor 215-224 up a bit after Curse of the Mutants and before ASM 654, where it needs to be, then X-Factor 217 is hanging out all by itself right before Fear Itself where it can't possibly go.
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Re: SIEGE to FEAR ITSELF

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Woops - that's fixed now - Thanx!
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Re: SIEGE to FEAR ITSELF

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Some more notes, just looking at X-books.

Missing carriage return before NM3 15-21

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On this line, I believe the split is between pages 17-18:
UX 526-529 [add (1-17)]
GENH 1-4
UX 529-534 [add (18-22)]

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A couple backup strips are on the list, but the main X:TS&P 1-4 is missing. Based on existing chronologies, the boundaries seem to be:
Archangel--after W4 5.1
Psylocke--before FF 588

and the rest of the backups:
X:TS&P 1/2 - after W4 5.1, before X:TS&P 4/2 and FCBD11:ASM
X:TS&P 1/3 - after X3 5, before NM3 27
X:TS&P 1/4 - after UXFor 5.1, before UXFor 5

X:TS&P 2/2 - placed, must be after Tstrike 5, before ASM 648 (second half)
X:TS&P 2/3 - after X:TS&P 1-4 and Thunderstrike #5, before H2 25 -- this moves the bottom boundary on the main series up considerably. And Captain America has a BTS here in between Hawkeye & Mockingbird 6 and H2 24, but I believe he's just in the (22 - 24) epilogue.
X:TS&P 2/4 - after W4 5.1, before X-23 #4

**X:TS&P 3/2 - placed, must be after Doomwar epilogue and IAAA 5/3, before Chaos War
**X:TS&P 3/3 - after W4 9, before W4 5.1
**X:TS&P 3/4 - already placed back in the Dark Reign era

X:TS&P 4/2 - after X:TS&P 1/2, before X-23 #4
X:TS&P 4/3 - after Curse of the Mutants, before SHS 3
**X:TS&P 4/4 - already placed back in the Dark Reign era

Based on existing chronologies, I see no reason not to put everything not marked with a ** in a single block between Hawkeye & Mockingbird 1-6 and (red) HULK 25-28, so:

TB 154
Thunderstrike v2 1-5
Hawkeye & Mockingbird 1-6
X:TS&P #1-4, 1/2-4, 2/2-4, 4/2-3
(red) HULK 25-28 [I believe this should be Hulk 24 (22-24) - 28]
(red) HULK 29-30
She-Hulks 1-4
X:TS&P 2/2
ASM 648 (26 - 39)-651
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Re: SIEGE to FEAR ITSELF

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Missing DPTU 885 (Hellcow), 884 (Uatu), 883 (Galactus, and a ton of cameos)

They probably go somewhere between DPTU2 886 and UXFOR 1, but I can't be more helpful than that right this second.
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Re: SIEGE to FEAR ITSELF

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Thanks for that shandrakor.

I've been slowly working on on the list, and have placed some extra issues, along with expanded listings for X-Men: Second Coming and Chaos War. It's still not finished, but i might as well post the list as updated so far, including your placements for X-Men: To Serve & Protect. DPTU 885, 884, and 883 still haven't been placed, and they don't seem to be listed in any of the individual character chronologies. I haven't gone thru and standardized the titles as it's still a work in progress..

SIEGE
Avengers Prime 1-5
New Avengers v2 1 (1 - 7)
Sentry: Fallen Son
Enter the Heroic Age 1
X-Factor 200-202
FSTAR2
Iron Man v5 25
Avenger v4 1 (1-5)
Secret Warriors 17-19
ASM 638-641
AGEOH 1
AGEOH 1/3
AGEOH 1/4
ASMP:ASON 1/2
ASMP:ASON 1-4
WOSM2 11-12
BCAT2 4
Iron Man/Thor 1-4
Thor 611-614
FCBD: Iron Man/Thor
Astonishing Thor 1-4
ASM 642-647
Avengers v4 1 (5-22) - 6
ASM 648 (1 - 25)
NO4 31-36
DPTU2 894
DPTU2 893
DPTU2 892
DP4 23-26
DPTU2 891
DPTU2 890
W:O 46-47 / DARKW 85-86
W:O 48-50
FC 17-18
DARKW 88
FC 19
DARKW 89
FC 20
FC 21 (begins)
HA:OML 1-5
W:WX 11-15
X-Factor 203
X-Men: Hope 1
X-Men: Second Coming 1
Uncanny X-Men 523
New Mutants 12
X-Men Legacy 235
X-Force 26
Uncanny X-Men 524
Second Coming: Prepare
New Mutants 13
X-Men:Blind Science (1 - 33:2)
X-Men Legacy 236 (1)
X-Men:Blind Science (33:3 - 34)
X-Men Legacy 236 (2 - 22)
X-Force 27
Uncanny X-Men 525
New Mutants 14
X-Men Legacy 237
X-Force 28
X-Men: Hellbound 1-3
X-Men: Second Coming 2
X-Factor 204-206
New Mutants 15-21
W:WX 16
UX:HA
UX 526/2
X-Men: Legacy 238-243
UX 526-529 (1-17)
GENH 1-4
UX 529 (18-22)-534
X-Factor 207-214
XO:DP (25 - 34)
VOMK 7
VOMK 8
DOOMWAR 6 (22) (epilogue)
AGEOH 3/1
Vengeance of Moon Knight 9
Secret Avengers 1-FBs & 1-4
Steve Rogers: Super Soldier 1-4
Vengeance of Moon Knight 10
FC 21 (finishes)
Punisher: In the Blood 1-5
IAAA 3/3
IAAA 5/2
IAAA 2/2-4/2
IAAA 5/3
IAAA 1-3
X:TS&P 3/2
Avengers Academy 1-2
Secret Avengers 5
AGEOH 4/3
AGEOH 4/4
Invaders Now! 1-5
Heralds 1-5
ATLAS 1-5
GENH 5
GIRLC2 2/3
Chaos War: Chaos King 1 (1-20)
HERC:FA 1-2
Heroic Age: Prince of Power 1 (1 - 12)
Incredible Hulks 615/2-620/2
Incredible Hulk 609/2-612/2
Incredible Hulks 613/1
Incredible Hulks 612/1
Incredible Hulks 613/2
Incredible Hulks 614/2-FB
Incredible Hulks 614/2
Incredible Hulks 614/1
Incredible Hulks: Enigma Force 1-2
Incredible Hulks: Enigma Force 3 (1 - 17)
Incredible Hulks 615/1-616/1
Incredible Hulks 617/1 (1 - 19:1)
Incredible Hulks: Enigma Force 3 (18 - 22)
Heroic Age: Prince of Power 1 (13 - 22)
Heroic Age: Prince of Power 2-4
Chaos War 1 (1-24)
Chaos War: Chaos King 1 (21- 30)
Chaos War 1 (25 - 27)
Chaos War 2
Chaos War: Ares 1
Chaos War: Dead Avengers 1-3
Chaos War 3 (1 - 20)
Chaos War: God Squad 1
Chaos War 3 (21 - 22:1)
Chaos War: Thor 1 (1 - 6:3)
Chaos War 3 (22:2)
Chaos War: Thor 1 (6:4 - 23)
Chaos War: Alpha Flight 1
Chaos War 4
Incredible Hulks 617/1 (19:2 - 22)
Incredible Hulks 618-619
Chaos War: Thor 2
Incredible Hulks 620/1
Chaos War 5
Incredible Hulks 621-625
IAAA 2/3
AGEOH 2/3
IAAA 2/4
SHSEN
H2 25-FB
NAMORA2
Gorilla Man 1-3
DPTU2 889
DP4 27-29
DPTU2 888
DPTU2 887
DPTU2 886
New Avenger v2 1 (8 - 24) – 7
IAAA 4
Thunderbolts 144-147 / Avengers Academy 3-4
Black Widow v6 1-5
ASTONSM&W 1-6
Shadowland 1
Daredevil 508
Daredevil 509 (1-15)
Shadowland: Blood on the Streets 1
Shadowland: Moon Knight 1
Shadowland: Power Man 1
Shadowland: Power Man 2 (1-17)
Shadowland 2 (1-13)
Daredevil 509 (16-20)
Shadowland 2 (14-22)
Shadowland: Power Man 2 (18-20)
Shadowland: Moon Knight 2 (1-13)
Shadowland: Daughters of the Shadow 1-3
Shadowland: Bullseye 1
Shadowland: Elektra 1
Shadowland 3
Shadowland: Moon Knight 2 (14-20)
Shadowland: Moon Knight 3
Shadowland: Blood on the Streets 2
Shadowland: Spider-Man 1
Shadowland: Blood on the Streets 3-4
Thunderbolts 148-149
Daredevil 510
Shadowland: Ghost Rider 1
Shadowland: Power Man 3
Shadowland: Power Man 4/1 (1-19)
Shadowland 4
Shadowland 5 (1-7)
Daredevil 511
Shadowland 5 (8-27)
Shadowland: Power Man 4/2
Daredevil 512
Shadowland: After the Fall 1
Shadowland: Power Man 4/1 (20-22)
Thunderbolts 150
Avengers Academy 5-6
Fantastic Four 575-580
FF@ 32
Ant-Man & Wasp 1-3 (1 - 20)
BP:MWF 514-518
SM&FF2 4
TB 151-153
YALLIES 1-6
DARKW 90
Breaking Into Comics the Marvel Way 2/1
DEATHOFD
CRSM:BLD
X3 1-2
N:FM 1 [could also go below the two one-shots, doesn't matter]
CRSM:STORM&GAM
CRSM:S&B
CRSM:XV.V 1-1/4
X3 3 (1-6)
CRSM:XV.V 2-2/4
X3 3 (7-22)
N:FM 2
X3 4
N:FM 3-4
X3 5-6
Spider-Man & Fantastic Four II 4
Wolverine & Jubliee 1-4
Namor, First Mutant 5
W:RTH
X-23 v3 1-3
Daken: Dark Wolverine 1-3
Wolverine v4 1-9
DP4 30-31
Namor, First Mutant 6-8
X:TS&P 3/3
Wolverine: Road to Hell 1/3
Uncanny X-Force 1-4 & 5.1
Wolverine v4 5.1
TB 154
Thunderstrike v2 1-5
Hawkeye & Mockingbird 1-6
X:TS&P 1-4, 1/2-4, 2/2-4, 4/2-3
(red) Hulk 24 (22-24), 25-28
(red) Hulk 29-30
She-Hulks 1-4
ASM 648 (26 - 39)-651
ASM:MEAL [DIGITAL COMIC]
Taskmaster v2 1-4
Avengers Academy 7
Ant-Man & Wasp 3 (21 - 22)
Iron Man V5 26-33
X-Factor 215-224
ASM 650/2-654/2, 654.1 (1 - 5), 652-654, 654.1 (6 - 20)
Venom 1
ASM 655-656
X-23 v3 4-7
D:DW 4 (1-19)
SG2 1-5
Incredible Hulks 626-635
Fantastic Four 581-588
(red) HULK 30.1-36
ASM 657
New Avengers v2 8
Avengers Academy 8-9
Avengers v4 7-12
A4 12.1 / Age of Ultron #10
Secret Avengers 6-7
KLAWS of the Panther 1-4
Wolverine 1000/2
Wolverine 1000/3
Uncanny X-Force 5-9
UX@ 3 / SR:SS@ 1 / Namor@ 1
X:L 244
AOX:ALPHA
X:L 245
NM3 22
X:L 246
NM3 23
X:L 247
NM3 24
X:L 248-249
NM3 25-27
Namor, the First Mutant 9-11
BICM/W 2/2
DP4 33.1
DP4 32-36
DP:MERC 1-13
PDPCORPS 1-5
DPCORPS 1-12
DPCORPS 1/2
DPF /4
W/DP:D
DP 1000
DP 1000/2
DP 1000/6
DP 1000/9
DP 1000/11
SKAAR:KSL 1-5
Secret Avengers 8-12
IM2.0 1-3
Secret Avengers 12.1
CA&SECA 1
Widowmaker 1-4
New Avengers v2 9-13 & 14-FB
ASTONX3 36-42
Warriors Three 1-4
T 620.1
T 615-621
Avengers Academy 10-12
GIRLC2 3/4
F.F. 1-2
Hawkeye: Blind Spot 1-4
CA&FAL2
CA 606-611
Cap Corps 1-5
D:DW 4 (end)-7
D:DW 8-9 / X-23 v3 8-9
GENH 6-8
Avengers Academy Giant-Size
Avengers Academy 13
CRNG 1-5
OSBORN 1
SG2 6
SS5 1-5
HFH3 1-8
MT 1-6
Onslaught Unleashed 1-4
UX 534.1 & 535-538
ASTONX 43
ASM@ 38, DPOOL@ 1, IHS@ 1
Secret Warriors 20-27
Secret Warriors 28 (1-15)
Captain America 612-614
Captain America 615 (1-15)
Fear Itself: Sins Past 1
Captain America 615 (16-23)
D:DW 9.1-20
IM 500-503
Avengers Academy 14
ASM 658-660
X-23 v3 10-12
ASM 658/2-660/2
ASM 659/3-660/3
UX 539
NM3 28
ASM 661-662
Punisher v9 1-4
Captain America 615.1
Captain America 616-619
Secret Warriors 28 (16-23)
HERC 1-2
ASM 663-664
FCBD11:ASM (1 - 15)
ASM 664/2
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Re: SIEGE to FEAR ITSELF

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The fleshed-out Age of X section should be:

X:L 244
AOX:ALPHA
X:L 245
NM3 22
X:L 246
NM3 23
X:L 247
NM3 24
X:L 248-249
NM3 25-27

There's also AOX Universe, but I believe it only includes the Earth-11326 versions of characters, no 616 folks.
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Thanks! Also added in Wolverine 1000/2 & 1000/3, and cleaned up Deadpool Corps.
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There's an extra Age of X: Alpha that got left behind.
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This block feels unnecessarily granular:
Captain America 615.1
Captain America 616/1
Captain America 616/2-616/6
Captain America 616/7
Captain America 617-619

And right at the tail end, 664/2 is missing what I assume is an ASM on the front.
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And of course I managed to miss one of my own, I noted that X:TS&P 3/3 can't go with the rest, then didn't put it anywhere.

It can go anywhere inside this block, I'm sticking it next to another straggling backup strip just because that feels appropriate:

Wolverine v4 1-9
DP4 30-31
Namor, First Mutant 6-8
X:TS&P 3/3
Wolverine: Road to Hell 1/3
Uncanny X-Force 1-4 & 5.1
Wolverine v4 5.1
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All incorporated into above, thanks. :thumbsup:

I've also added in expanded listings for Shadowland and Curse of the Mutants.
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Your Curse of the Mutants doesn't match mine. Saga should be tossed, that's just a recap issue. As for the rest...

Notes on placing the anthologies, if you care
CRSM:XV.V 1 -- before x3 5
CRSM:XV.V 1/2 -- after storm & gambit
CRSM:XV.V 1/3 -- before x3 4
CRSM:XV.V 1/4 -- after storm & gambit, before x3 3

CRSM:XV.V 2 -- after x3 3, before 2/2
CRSM:XV.V 2/2 -- between x3 3 (1-6) and x3 4
CRSM:XV.V 2/3 -- anywhere in curse
CRSM:XV.V 2/4 -- between x3 3 (1-6) and x3 3 (7-22)
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Remove this block entirely:
Death of Dracula 1
X-Men: Curse of the Mutants Saga 1
X-Men 1
X-Men: Curse of the Mutants - Blade 1
X-Men 2
X-Men: Curse of the Mutants - Storm & Gambit 1
Namor: The First Mutant 1
X-Men: Curse of the Mutants - X-Men vs. Vampires 1-2
X-Men 3
X-Men: Curse of the Mutants - Smoke & Blood 1
Namor: The First Mutant 2-4
X-Men 4-6
Tomb of Dracula Presents: Throne of Blood 1
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Replace with:
DEATHOFD
CRSM:BLD
X3 1-2
N:FM 1 [could also go below the two one-shots, doesn't matter]
CRSM:STORM&GAM
CRSM:S&B
CRSM:XV.V 1-1/4
X3 3 (1-6)
CRSM:XV.V 2-2/4
X3 3 (7-22)
N:FM 2
X3 4
N:FM 3-4
X3 5-6
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TOD:TOB (Tomb of Dracula Presents: Throne of Blood 1) needs to go somewhere below this list, I've made a note in the FI to AVX thread.
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Thanks for that - incorporated into above list. Some of my old lists still need updating, but thought i'd toss in what i had while we're playing around with the chronology. All help appreciated. :D
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