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Re: CIVIL WAR II to SECRET EMPIRE

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H4 1 is Jen Walters’ first day back to lawyering. Hellcat appears in H4 3 (same as PATSYWAHCAT 15) who has been trying to get ahold of Jen since she returned to work. Also, its snowy in New York.

H4 1 is one day, H4 2 is one day, maybe a few days or a week or two after H4 1 (in #3 Jen mentions she has 12 other clients). H4 3 is the day after H4 2 and H4 4-5 & 6 (1-18) is the day after that. H4 6 (19-20) is a week later.

I’m going to say that H4 1-6 happen between PATSYWAHCAT 16-17. Hellcat’s not sure what’s going on with Jen (PATSYWAHCAT 11-16), Jen returns to lawyering (H4 1-2), reconnects with Hellcat (H4 3-6) and fixes Hellcat’s legal problems (PATSYWAHCAT 17).

H4 7-10 happens over a weekend. H4 11 is likely after SECEMP.

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ANW 13-18 happens over a week at some point after MU2 1-5.

ANW 19 refers to ANW 18 as “recent,” and All-New Wolverine says they’ve been attacking the villain’s operation since then. Maybe a few weeks or a month or so since the last issue? There CAN be other appearances between ANW 18-19; it’s not like it was an all-consuming project.

ANW 19-21 lasts a day and a half, maybe two days. Ironheart, Deadpool, Daken and old man Logan appear. All-New Wolverine falls into a coma at the end of #21.

All-New Wolverine wakes up from her coma in ANW 22; it’s been two weeks (so no appearances for her between ANW 21-22). The Guardians of the Galaxy appear and they’re already left Earth (so after GOTG4 19) and Groot is already tiny and Drax is already a pacifist. A mention is made of Maria Hill still being with SHIELD but that’s not confirmed, it’s possible Laura is just out of the loop on things.

ANW 22-24 lasts a little over a week.

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DP6 20 happens in a night. Deadpool still considers himself an Avenger and his HQ is still wrecked. Probably before DP&MFM2 4-6 where it’s starting to get fixed (so, during CWII).

DP6 21-24 happens in one day shortly before Christmas (it could be Christmas Eve but doesn’t have to be). It’s after UA3 17 and before UA3 18-23, because Deadpool mentions the Unity Squad is still looking for the Red Skull (who still has Xavier’s brain). Deadpool’s HQ is mostly fixed up.

DP6 26 is on Valentine’s Day and Deadpool’s HQ isn’t done being fixed up yet.

DP6 27 happens in a night and Deadpool gets an emergency message from Shiklah, which seems to lead into the crossover. Also, Phil Coulson starts investigating Steve Rogers, so we’re likely fairly close to SECEMP. I’m pretty sure this is after UA3 18-23. So:

DP6 27-28 \ SM/DP 15 \ DP&MFM2 9 \ SM/DP 16 \ DP&MFM2 10 \ DP6 29

DP6 30 happens mostly in space, and who knows how long it takes. Seems to lead directly into SECEMP.

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INFIM 2-5 could be anywhere from a few days to a few weeks after INFIM 1. Maria Hill is still with SHIELD. Happens over a few days.

INFIM 6 Hill is no longer with SHIELD, so there’s a sizeable break between INFIM 5-6.

INFIM 6-12 happens over a few days, Ironheart and Doctor Strange appear.

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IIM3 1 is pretty shortly after CWII; Riri still has her big clunky armor and the Tony Stark AI first appears.

IIM3 2 has the Stark AI starting to train Riri, who still has the big clunky suit.

IIM3 3-5 starts with Riri finishing the sleek suit she’s seen in everywhere else. IIM3 3 (12-14) is an extended conversation between Riri and the Stark AI, while a bunch of other things are happening. Obviously, the conversation lasts longer than it takes for her to meet and fight all of these various characters, so if needed we can say this is a conversation broken up over time that they keep coming back to. Meaning, if a break is needed it could go during those pages. Maria Hill is no longer with SHIELD in #5 and the Defenders are mentioned.

IIM3 6 Riri is becoming known as an armored hero and THEN she chooses the name “Ironheart.” If she’s called Ironheart anywhere else it’ll have to be after this issue. The Champions cameo at the end. She’s called Ironheart in ANW 19-21, it’s not mentioned in DP&MFM2 10 and she’s called Ironheart in MG&DDINO 15. Also, she’s in one panel at the end of SW6 17, but has no dialogue and isn’t named.

IIM3 7-10 involves Ironheart briefly taking over Latveria (so, after INFIM 6-12 where Latveria is still a mess).

IIM3 11 is after SECEMP.

At the very least we have:

INFIM 2-5 (Hill around)
CA:SR 9-10 (Hill’s tribunal)
DEF5 1-2, 3 (1-6) (Defenders form)
CWII:OATH (Hill no longer around)
IIM3 4-5 (Hill no longer around, Defenders a thing)
IIM3 6 (takes name “Ironheart”)
INFIM 6-12 (Ironheart appears, Hill no longer around)
IIM3 7-10 (after INFIM 6-12)

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MG&DDINO 12 (end) & 13-14 lasts three days. Thing appears (same as INFIM 2-3) as does Teen Hulk (same as TAH 12.

MG&DDINO 15 & 16 (1-17) seems to happen shortly after #14 but doesn’t have to be. Ironheart appears (same as IIM3 3 but called Ironheart, so after IIM3 6) and Doctor Doom is known to be trying to be a hero (so likely at least after INFIM 5) in #15. Doctor Strange appears in #16 (same as DS4 17) and it’s supposed to be Halloween.

MG&DDINO 16 (18-20) & 17 is “a few days later” and the X-Men appear (referenced as after IvX, and likely before the X-Mansion is moved out of Limbo).

MG&DDINO 18 is probably a few days after #17 but could be a week or more. Ms. Marvel (same as MSM4 17), Teen Hulk (TAH 18), Thing (INFIM 7), Doctor Strange (DS4 19) and the X-Men appear.

CWII:OATH -> IIM3 6 -> MG&DDINO 15 is well into November, so we’ll likely have to ignore that “Halloween” in MG&DDINO 15. In theory, since I currently have MONSTERS UNLEASHED! on or around Halloween, we could always say the neighborhood rescheduled Trick or Treating to later after things got cleaned up, and that’s what we’re seeing in MG&DDINO 15. *shrug*
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Col_Fury wrote: Wed Jul 04, 2018 9:55 pmCWII:OATH -> IIM3 6 -> MG&DDINO 15 is well into November, so we’ll likely have to ignore that “Halloween” in MG&DDINO 15. In theory, since I currently have MONSTERS UNLEASHED! on or around Halloween, we could always say the neighborhood rescheduled Trick or Treating to later after things got cleaned up, and that’s what we’re seeing in MG&DDINO 15. *shrug*
Just to throw a spanner into the works.. Is it possible to compress the stories we have placed in November into October..? A lot of stuff could be happening at the same time..

I realize it may have to be ignored, but just to put it out there.. All-New X-Men 1.MU is specifically set during Mardi Gras in New Orleans, and Fat Tuesday is mentioned. This seems to be the only reference to any kind of time-frame for Monsters Unleashed within the comics.
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It may be possible to compress some things, but let's just look at PM&IF3 and DEF5:

PM&IF3 10 starts after CWII ends (and I've placed it essentially the day after, as early as possible). PM&IF3 10-11 happen in a day, PM&IF3 12 is a week after that, PM&IF3 13 is another week after that and PM&IF3 14-15 is 19 day (almost three weeks) after that. So we're at least five weeks (over a month) after CWII ends. Then the Defenders can form as a team, which is tied up with JJ 1-11 and CWII:OATH.

So we have PM&IF3 10-15 -> CWII:OATH -> DEF5 1-3

Tossing in IIM3:

IIM3 4-5 have Maria Hill no longer with SHIELD (so after CWII:OATH) and the Defenders are mentioned, they have to have already formed (so after DEF5 3). Then in IIM3 6 Riri takes the name Ironheart. She's called Ironheart in MG&DDINO 15.

So we have CWII:OATH -> DEF5 1-3 -> IIM3 4-5 -> IIM3 6 -> MG&DDINO 15

Which leaves us with

PM&IF3 10-15 (early-October through mid-November)
CWII:OATH
DEF5 1-3
IIM3 4-6
MG&DDINO 15 (Halloween?)

Could PM&IF3 10 happen during CWII, pushing up the "start date"? Maybe. I suppose it's possible PM&IF3 10 could happen shortly after Hulk's death instead of Iron Man's… Also, I just noticed that I have Scarlet Witch's appearance in PM&IF3 10 during the time she's not available, so something's going to need adjustment anyway.

As for MU2 1-5 and the Mardis Gras reference, that would put it closer to SECEMP than CWII, wrenching it out of publication order (and after the X-Men Gold/Blue relaunch). I'm not sure that would work. The next update will have a bit or reshuffling, so we'll see what happens!

Also:

X:G 1-3 happens over three days.

X:G 4-6 is at some later point, and happens in a day or two. Daredevil (same as DD5 21-22), Deadpool (same as DP6 32) and Squirrel Girl (same as USQG2 21) cameo in #6. Also Ms. Marvel (same as MSM4 19), Captain Marvel (same as MCM 6) and Teen Hulk (TAH 20). And Nova (same as CHMPS2 9 & NO7 7).

X:G 7 is a SECEMP tie-in and Colossus is still recovering from injuries he got in #6. So I guess X:G 4-6 happens a week or two before SECEMP.

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X:B 1 has the nu-X-Men working with Magneto; this is what they left to do in XPRIME. This doesn’t have to be immediately after XPRIME, they could have been working together / getting used to each other for a while.

X:B 2-FB happens shortly before XPRIME and takes place “two months ago.” X:B 2-3 happens at a point when the Xavier school has already been moved to Central Park.

X:B 4-5 happens in a day, a few days after X:B 1/2.

X:B 6 happens at some later point in a night. It’s a holiday in Madripoor.

X:B 7 is a SECEMP tie-in and doesn’t have a reference to how long it’s been since any of the previous issues that I can see.
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Oops. No, PM&IF3 10 CAN'T happen during CWII because PM&IF3 13 has to happen after CWII ends because of the Alison Green stuff in JJ 1-6.

There goes that theory. :roll:
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Ha - that happens to me a lot - back to the old drawing board.. some things just aint gonna go where they want to.. :wink:
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What If…? PM&IF3 10 happens shortly after Hawkeye's acquittal and the "weeks" in PM&IF3 10-15 magically work out so that PM&IF3 13 happens after CWII ends, making room for the Alison Green / JJ 1-6 stuff?

Keeping in mind the Scarlet Witch's situation and the Last Days of Magic, of course.

I'll have to see if that works…
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Regarding Mardi Gras, to quote fnord at the supermegamonkey website, "it's always Mardi Gras in New Orleans in the Marvel Universe".
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Michael wrote: Thu Jul 05, 2018 9:03 am Regarding Mardi Gras, to quote fnord at the supermegamonkey website, "it's always Mardi Gras in New Orleans in the Marvel Universe".
Hah - yes, good point.! :D
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Yes, and it's always snowing in Russia. :lol:

Let’s say PM&IF3 10 happens shortly after Hawkeye’s trial ends:

……
MOCK 8 (20) (Hawkeye free)
PM&IF3 10-11 (Strange in red cloak, Scarlet Witch) [September 23?]
PM&IF3 12 (2-7)-FB (lasts a week)
UGP 1-6
……
AYOM/:UNB /2 (1st day of autumn)
SQS4 15 (12-20) ("three months" after SQS4 15 (1-11)) [late Sept?]
PM&IF3 12 [September 30?]
CM8 9, 10 (1-19)
……
IIM2 14 (19-20) (“2 weeks” after IIM2 14 (1-18), very shortly after CWII 8 (1-34))
TB3 7-9
PM&IF3 13 (a week later) (Jessica has left Luke) [October 7?]
PM&IF3 14-FB
DS4 8-11 (magic users haven’t heard about Stark yet?)
……
CA:SR 9-10 (shortly before CWII:OATH)
CWII:OATH-FB-FB (“days” before CWII:OATH)
PM&IF3 14-15 (19 days after #13) [October 26?]
JJ 1-6 (Jessica gets out of prison)
DEF5 1-2, 3 (1-6)
CWII:OATH-FB (same day as CWII:OATH)
CWII:OATH
JJ 7-11, 12 (1-8) (the day after CWII:OATH)
IIM3 4-6 (Hill no longer around, Defenders a thing, Riri takes “Ironheart” name)
MG&DDINO 15 & 16 (1-17) [Hallowen]

Which means Scarlet Witch would have to leave for “six weeks” before Hawkeye’s trial starts and get back basically when it ends. She may even have to leave around the time of Hulk’s death. Gotta make sure she doesn’t appear anywhere in there…

Nope! So:

……
PATSYWAHCAT 8 (8-20)
SCRW2 9-10 (after FCBD2016:CWII, before UA3 9)
MOSAIC 1 (10-30), 2-6
UINHS 11 (7-20), 12 (1-4) (Stark Tower destroyed)
CWII 2 (13-21)
AOSHIELD 7 (18-20)
SM2 7 (1-17)
SW6 10 (1-6)
UA3 9-12
SCRW2 11-12 & 13-FB (no appearances for Wanda elsewhere until after SCRW2 14)
SW6 10 (7-15)
SM2 7 (18-20), SM2 8 (1-14)
CWII 2 (22) (soon after CWII 2 (1-21), seemingly the day after CWII 2 (1-21)) [July 19]
CWII 3 (2-14)-FB (for brevity)
UA3 13 (2)
CWII 3 (22-23)-FB (for brevity)
……
FALLEN
TAH 9-12
SCRW2 13-14 (“6 weeks” after SCRW2 11-12)
MOCK 8 (20) (Hawkeye free)
PM&IF3 10-11 (Strange in red cloak, Scarlet Witch) [September 23?]
PM&IF3 12 (2-7)-FB (lasts a week)
UGP 1-6
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Well done - i knew you could do it..! :-P
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After a bunch of reshuffling:

CM8 10 (20-30)
IIM3 1
CHMPS2 1 (2:4-5)-FB
CA:SAMW 14-16
MOSAIC 7 (1-3)
ULTS² 1 & 2-FB
DD5 11-14 (“a few weeks” since #10) (before IvX)
CHMPS2 1-4
OML2 14-15 (before IvX)
DD5 15-19 & 20 (1-19)
P11 1-13 (lasts over a month, this is when it ends; no appearances for Frank elsewhere since CWII:CS)
IvX
INHSPRIME (1-21)
UX4 19
CA:SR 7
VLOKI 1 (1-9) [October 19]
ANX2 19
DS@2 1 (at least “2 weeks” after DS4 11) [October 20?]
X:B 2-FB
XPRIME (1-28)
MOSAIC 7 (11-20) & 8
PM&IF3 12 [October 21?]
DS/P:MB 1-4
CA:SR 8
IIM3 2
SLORD2 1 (“a rough few weeks” since GOTG arrived on Earth) (X-Mansion still in Limbo)
SLORD2 2 (1-3) (old Star-Lord suit) (newspaper says September 22, but must be October 22)
GOTG4 14
INFIM 1 (1-12)
GOTG4 15 (1-17)
INFIM 1 (13-16:3)
GOTG4 15 (18-19:2)
GOTG4 15 (19:3-20) ~ INFIM 1 (16:4-17)
INFIM 1 (18-21)
INFIM 2-5 (Hill around)
MG&DDINO 12 (18-20) & 13-14
VLOKI 1 (10-20) [October 22-26]
CA:SR 9-10 (shortly before CWII:OATH)
CWII:OATH-FB-FB (“days” before CWII:OATH)
DS4 12-16 [October 24-26?]
PM&IF3 14-15 (19 days after #13) [October 26?]
VLOKI 2 [October 26-27]
JJ 1-6 (Jessica gets out of prison)
FCBD2017:ANGOTG /2
DEF5 1-2, 3 (1-6)
MCM 0 (1-18) (“weeks” after CWII 8 (1-34))
CWII:OATH-FB (same day as CWII:OATH)
CWII:OATH
JJ 7-11, 12 (1-8) (the day after CWII:OATH)
SCRW2 15
SW6 13-16
A6 1-6
CA:SAMW 17-18
DS4 17-19
MONSTERS UNLEASHED! (new Star-Lord suit, not yet fully bearded) (Gamora free) (Strange blue cloak)
IIM3 3-6 (Hill no longer around, Defenders a thing, Riri takes “Ironheart” name)
VLOKI 3 [October 29]
MCM 0 (19-20), 1-4 (after CWII:OATH, before CA:SR 11-14)
NO7 1-3
MG&DDINO 15 & 16 (1-17) [Hallowen]
AYOM/:UNC [Halloween]
MT2 8 (1) [October 30 – November 3]
NO7 4-7 & 7 (1-16) (before GOTG4 17)
MG&DDINO 16 (18-20) & 17 (“a few days later,” after IvX)
GOTG4 16-17 (Gamora imprisoned)
VLOKI 4 (1-7) [November 3]
SLORD2 2 (4-17) (new Star-Lord suit, fully bearded) (two weeks later, so November 5)
MT2 8 (2) [November 4 – November 7]
MT2 8 (3-20), 9-12 [November 8]
VLOKI 4 (8-20) [November 7-8]
MSM4 13 [November 7-9]
SLORD2 2 (18-20) (three days later, so November 8)
NO7 7 (17-20) (“1 week” after #7 (1-16))
CA:SR 11-14 (about a week after #10) (GOTG still on Earth)
BP6 9-11
UWASP 1-7, 8 (1-19) (MG&DDINO 13 “recent”)
MSM4 14-17 (lasts several days)
MG&DDINO 18
BP:WWKND 6
CA:SAMW 19-20 & 21-FB
DD5 20 (20) & DD5 21 (1-18)
SW6 17
AYOM/:UNC /2 [Thanksgiving]
SLORD2 3-5 (three weeks later, lasts two days, so November 29-30)
BP6 12 (1-18)
RR3 1-5
SLORD2 6 (about a week later, so December 5-ish)
DD5 21 (19-20), 22 (1-17)
MT2 13-14
GOTG4 18-19 (GOTG leave Earth)
ANW 13-18
CHMPS2 5
UNWT 1-4, 5 (1-19) (before MT2 15-19, Thanos in Black Quadrant)
X:B 1 (“2 months” after X:B 2-FB)
DD5 22 (18-20) (“two weeks” later) [December 20?]
ULTS² 2-5 & 6 (1-18) (holiday season)
AYOM/ /11 [shortly before Christmas]
PM&IF@ 1 [Christmas]
DP6 21-24 [Christmas]
AYOM/ /12 [New Year's Eve]
OML2 16-18, 19-FB
CHMPS2 6-7 (shortly after the New Year)
ULTS² 6 (19-20) (shortly before college semester?)
UWASP 8 (20) (“two months” after #8 (1-19))
OML2 19-24 (“9 days” since OML2 19-FB)
EXX 20
XPRIME (29-30)
X:G 1-3 (before MT2 15-19)
MT2 15-19 (before USQG2 16)
X:B 2-3
INHSPRIME (22-30)
ROYALS 1
PATSYWAHCAT 11-FB [late-January]
USQG2 16 [January?]
ANW 19-21
USQG2 17-20 (“weeks” after ULTS² 6?)
P11 14
PATSYWAHCAT 11-14
DP6 26 [Valentine’s]
PATSYWAHCAT 15-16 [mid-February]
H4 1-5, 6 (1-18)
CHMPS2 8
H4 6 (19-20) (“a week later”)
PATSYWAHCAT 17
A6 7-8
DS4 20
ANW 22-24 (“two weeks” after ANW 19-21, GOTG off-Earth, Groot small, Drax pacifist)
DD5 23 (1-18) (snowy, She-Hulk appears)
X:B 4-5
INFIM 6-12 (Ironheart appears, Hill no longer around)
DD5 23 (19-20) & 24 (“two weeks later”) [early/mid March]
X:G 4-6
H4 7-10
IIM3 7-10 (after INFIM 6-12)
P11 15
DD5 25 (1-15) [March 20]
UA3 18-23
CA:SR 15
CA:SAMW 21
CHMPS2 9
USQG2 21
DP6 27-28 \ SM/DP 15 \ DP&MFM2 9 \ SM/DP 16 \ DP&MFM2 10 \ DP6 29
X:B 6
DD5 25 (16-20) [March 30]
TB3 10-12
DP6 30
SECRET EMPIRE


STILL TO DO:

ALL-NEW GUARDIANS OF THE GALAXY 1-???
AMAZING SPIDER-MAN v4 19-28
AMERICA 1-???
BEN REILLY: SCARLET SPIDER 1-???
BLACK BOLT 1-???
BULLSEYE 1-5
CABLE v3 1-???
CLONE CONSPIRACY 1-5 & OMEGA
DEADPOOL: TOO SOON? 1-4?
DEADPOOL THE DUCK 1-5?
DEADPOOL vs. PUNISHER 1-5?
DOCTOR STRANGE & THE SORCERERS SUPREME 1-12?
EDGE OF VENOMVERSE 1-5?
ELEKTRA v3 1-5?
FOOLKILLER v3 1-5
FREE COMIC BOOK DAY 2016: CAPTAIN AMERICA (2nd story)
FREE COMIC BOOK DAY 2017: ALL-NEW GUARDIANS OF THE GALAXY (both stories)
FREE COMIC BOOK DAY 2017: SECRET EMPIRE (2nd story)
GAMORA 1-5?
GENERATION X v2 1-???
GHOST RIDER v8 1-5
GREAT LAKES AVENGERS 1-7
GUARDIANS OF THE GALAXY: MOTHER ENTROPY 1-5?
GWENPOOL HOLIDAY SPECIAL
HAWKEYE v5 1-???
I AM GROOT 1-5?
ICEMAN v3 1-???
IRON FIST v5 1-???
JEAN GREY 1-???
KINGPIN v2 1-5
LUKE CAGE 1-???
MAN-THING v4 1-5?
MONSTERS UNLEASHED! v3 1-???
MS. MARVEL v4 18-???
NICK FURY 1-6?
OCCUPY AVENGERS 1-7
PETER PARKER, THE SPECTACULAR SPIDER-MAN v2 1-???
PROWLER v2 1-6
ROCKET 1-6
ROYALS 2-???
SILK v2 14-19
SLAPSTICK v2 1-6
SOLO v2 1-5
SPIDER-MAN/DEADPOOL 4-???
SPIDER-MAN v2 11-???
SPIDER-MEN II 1-5?
STAR-LORD ANNUAL 1
THANOS v2 1-???
TOTALLY AWESOME HULK 13-???
U.S.AVENGERS 1-4
UNBELIEVABLE GWENPOOL 7-???
VENOM v3 1-???
WEAPON X v3 1-???
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Thanos escaped imprisonment during CWII (off-panel? I don’t remember this happening, but that’s what GOTG4 17 says) and joined up with some other evil aliens and attacked Earth again in GOTG4 19 where he’s arrested by the Nova Corps.

Thanos returns to the Black Quadrant (apparently escaping from the Nova Corps off-panel) in THANOS2 1 (where he already is in UNWT 5), but that issue also reveals that he’s sick and dying.

THANOS2 2-6 has Thanos leaving the Black Quadrant, being attacked by the Imperial Guard and ending up stranded on Titan.

THANOS2 7 has Thanos stranded on Titan for over a month, and THANOS2 7-12 involves Thanos getting his power back and his son being a Phoenix host. The Phoenix Force also appears in MT2 15-19; MT2 19 and THANOS2 7 were published the same month, suggesting the MT2 story happens first.

Of course, Quentin Quire became a Phoenix host in MT2 19, but as subsequent appearances make clear (from what I understand) he didn’t stay a host for long. I guess the Shi’ar didn’t like him as their god and fired him, or he got bored, or the Phoenix changed its mind or something? Anyway.

Thanos returns to Black Quandrant (THANOS2 1), fights the unworthy Thor (UNWT 5), unworthy Thor returns and Quire becomes a Phoenix host (MT2 15-19), Thanos finds out he’s sick and dying (THANOS2 1), his son becomes a Phoenix host and Thanos gets better (THANOS2 2-12).

That means a break in THANOS2 1 is needed, and between pages 14-15 looks good enough.

THANOS2 13 starts a “Legacy” story and so is very likely after SECEMP.

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GOTG:DO is a one-off guest starring DEATH’S HEAD, YO! Groot is still big.

GOTG:ME 1-5 guest stars Gladiator (of the Imperial Guard, same month as MT2 19) and is absolutely beautiful. Groot is still big.
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ANGOTG 10-FB has Loki giving the Gardner the idea to start growing Groots.

ANGOTG 6 says that Gamora has been acting strange ever since they left Earth, so ANGOTG 3 should happen shortly after GOTG4 19.

ANGOTG 7-FB (where Drax turns pacifist) happens after ANGOTG 6, but ANGOTG 7 can’t happen between ANGOTG 6-8.

ANGOTG 9 is how Groot gets tiny.

ANGOTG 11 happens at some point after NO7 7.

Scott Adsit (a Deadpool supporting character) appears in ANGOTG 5 already a member of the Nova Corps. He joins the Nova Corps in DP6 30, so ANGOTG 5 has to happen after DP6 30 (and therefore likely after SECEMP).

The Guardians guest star in ANW 22-24 where Groot is tiny and Drax is a pacifist.

FCBD2017:ANGOTG is one adventure, then ANGOTG 1, 2, 4, 6, 8, 10 is fairly continuous and sends the Guardians on a mission to search for the Infinity Gems, which is what they’re doing in ANGOTG 12 (which is clearly post-SECEMP).

ANGOTG@ 1 was published the same month as ANGOTG 3-4.

I’m leaning toward:

ANGOTG 10-FB
GOTG4 19
ANGOTG 3
GOTG:DO
GOTG:ME 1-5
ANGOTG 7-FB
ANGOTG 9
ANGOTG 11
ANW 22-24
DP6 30
ANGOTG@ 1
ANGOTG 5
ANGOTG 7
FCBD2017:ANGOTG
ANGOTG 1, 2, 4, 6, 8, 10, 12

GAMORA 1-5 takes place entirely in the past, while she’s being trained by Thanos.

GOTG: Mission Breakout is based on / an adaptation of a theme park ride, and GOTG: Telltale Games is based on / an adaptation of a game. Both are non-canon.

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MSM4 18 takes place entirely in Wakanda (starring supporting cast member Bruno). Black Panther appears but Ms. Marvel doesn’t. Same month as BP6 14.

MSM4 19 starts on “August 31” so we’re likely WAY past SECEMP.

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TAH 13-14 happens over two days and guest stars a famous basketball player. It’s been “weeks” since TAH 9-12.

TAH 15-18 guest stars Silk (same as SILK2 16-19), Ms. Marvel (same as MSM4 14-17) and Jimmy Woo (yay!). Happens in a night. TAH 1.MU came out the same month as TAH 17 so MU2 1-5 could be either before or after TAH 15-18; it depends on Silk’s involvement in Clone Conspiracy I guess.

WX3 1-3 \ TAH 19 \ WX3 4 \ WMD:A \ TAH 20 \ WX3 5 \ TAH 21 \ WX3 6 \ TAH 22 happens over a week or two at a point after the X-school has been moved to Central Park.

TAH 23 leads directly into IH2 709, so we’re past SECEMP.

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All of these were published at the same time, in the same months as DD5 17-21:

EL3 1-5 is one adventure in Las Vegas, and Elektra’s in her new look. Arcade is the villain (who is arrested at the end, but is thought to be dead in U.S.A 1-3). Daredevil and Bullseye both cameo at the end of #5, and Kingpin is -BTS.

BULL 1-5 has Bullseye going from New York to Columbia for a job. Maria Hill is still with SHIELD (so before CWII:OATH). BULL 1/2 probably happens shortly before BULL 1.

K2 1-5 has Kingpin hiring a reporter to write a biography of him to clean up his image. Matt Murdock appears in #1 (same as DD5 17) which lasts three days. Tombstone and Hammerhead appear in #2, which starts maybe a week later and lasts a few days. DD appears again. #3 starts on the same day and lasts two days (and DD & Tombstone appear again). #4 lasts at least four days and Tombstone appears again. #5 starts at some later point and there’s a gap of three weeks in the middle. The last two pages are “six months later.”

All of these were published before DEF5 1. I’m not sur why I feel the need to point that out.

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U.S.A 1-3 happens over a few days and pretty obviously happens at some point after January 20.

U.S.A 4 leads directly into #5, which is a SECEMP tie-in.

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OCCA 1-2 happens over two days. Hawkeye’s lost track of how long it’s been since he killed the Hulk.

OCCA 3-4 happens in a night at least a month after last issue. Nick Fury thinks something funny is going on with SHIELD, so we may be closer to SECEMP than away from it.

OCCA 5-7 is a week after last issue and lasts two days.

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FOOL3 1-5 happens at least “six months” after DP6 14-18. Deadpool appears in #4 looking for psychiatric help, so maybe after Shiklah leaves him? Or he could just be acting goofy. Quicksilver and Rogue appear in #4 (same as UA3 20), so probably before UA3 18-23. Punisher appears in #5 (same as P11 10).

SOLO2 1-5 happens at a point before ASM4 25-28 and before BP6 9-11. Also, after DP6 14-18.

SLAP2 1-6 guest stars Spider-Man in #1 (the Infinite Comics came out the same month as ASM4 16-17). Also, this is after DP6 14-18.
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Col_Fury wrote: Sat Jul 07, 2018 11:34 pm Thanos escaped imprisonment during CWII (off-panel? I don’t remember this happening, but that’s what GOTG4 17 says) and joined up with some other evil aliens and attacked Earth again in GOTG4 19 where he’s arrested by the Nova Corps.
Yep - that's right. We hear about Thanos escape thru hearsay, not even thru a flashback anywhere.
Col_Fury wrote: Sat Jul 07, 2018 11:34 pm GAMORA 1-5 takes place entirely in the past, while she’s being trained by Thanos.

GOTG: Mission Breakout is based on / an adaptation of a theme park ride, and GOTG: Telltale Games is based on / an adaptation of a game. Both are non-canon.
Gamora's entire back-story in GAMORA 1-5 is totally different to her history as already given for E-616. I suggest this series, which was written by Nicole Perlman, co-writer of the Guardians movie, is in fact set in E-199999.
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ASM4 19/2 takes place “weeks” before the first story. Also, it overlaps with FCBD2016:CA /2. Kingpin appears and publication order would suggest this happens before K2 1-5.

ASM4 19 happens in a day and a supporting character dies. CLNCON 1 starts with the ensuing funeral, so it’s roughly a week later. Also, it happens in a day. ASM4 20-24 and CLNCON 2-5 all happen on that same day, two days at the most.

CLNCON 1 is talking about ASM4 16-18 like it was a while back, but ASM4 20 says the flashback that picks up from ASM4 18’s end is “days ago.” Either way, ASM4 20-FB has to happen after ASM4 19/2. CLNCON 2 also says that ASM4 16-18 was “days ago.” Hmn. CLNCON 3 refers to ASM4 19/2 as “a few weeks ago” (again).

Spider-Gwen appears (same months as SGWEN2 14-18).

ASM4 21 takes place entirely in the past and features Spider-Gwen. Gwen and Kaine team up to research various alternate realities but it’s not an all-consuming mission for her (meaning, she can make appearances elsewhere).

This whole thing should probably happen after A6 1-6. Parker Industries starts having trouble because of CLNCON 1-5 and he starts funding the Avengers in A6 1-6 (ASM4 25 refers to Parker Industries funding the Avengers, so there you go).

ASM4 21 (Kaine teams up with Spider-Gwen, entirely in the past)
……
A6 1-6
……
FCDB2016:CA /2 (1-4:3) (a few weeks before ASM4 19)
ASM4 19/2 (1-7:1)
FCBD2016:CA /2 (4:4)
ASM4 19/2 (7:3)
FCBD2016:CA /2 (5:1)
ASM4 19/2 (7:4)
FCBD2016:CA /2 (5:2-5:4)
ASM4 19/2 (8:2)
FCBD2016:CA /2 (5:5)
ASM4 19/2 (8:3-8:5)
FCBD2016:CA /2 (6-9)
……
ASM4 16-18
ASM4 20-FB (spans a few days)
ASM4 19
……
SILK2 14 (1-7)
CLNCON 1 (roughly a week after ASM4 19)
ASM4 20
CLNCON 2
CLNCON 3 (1-14)
SILK2 14 (8-20), 15, 16 (1-12)
PROWL2 1-3, 4-FB
CLNCON 3 (15-20)
ASM4 22
CLNCON 4 (1-8)
ASM4 23 (1-16)
CLNCON 4 (9-12)
CLNCON 4 (13) ~ PROWL2 4 (1-2)
ASM4 23 (17-18)
CLNCON 4 (14-18)
PROWL2 4 (3)
CLNCON 4 (19:1)
ASM4 23 (19-20)
CLNCON 4 (19:2-21:3)
SILK2 16 (13-20)
CLNCON 4 (21:4-22:2) ~ SILK2 17 (1)
CLNCON 4 (22:3-22:4)
SILK2 17 (2-14)
PROWL2 4 (15-20), 5 (1-3)
CLNCON 5 (1-2)
CLNCON 5 (3&4:1-3&4:2) ~ PROWL2 5 (4)
PROWL2 5 (5-8)
CLNCON 5 (3&4:3-7)
ASM4 24 (1-3)
CLNCON 5 (8-11:2)
PROWL2 5 (9-11:1)
CLNCON 5 (11:3) ~ PROWL2 5 (11:2)
PROWL2 5 (11:3-13)
CLNCON 5 (11:4)
PROWL2 5 (14-15:2), 5-FB
CLNCON 5 (11:5-14:1)
SLK2 17 (15&16:1)
CLNCON 5 (14:2) ~ SILK2 17 (15&16:2)
SILK2 17 (15&16:3-19)
CLNCON 5 (14:3-15:4)
CLNCON 5 (15:5) ~ ASM4 24 (4:1) ~ SILK2 17 (20:1)
ASM4 24 (4&5:2-4&5:7)
CLNCON 5 (16)
CLNCON 5 (17:1-17:2) ~ ASM4 24 (4&5:8)
ASM4 24 (6-11)
CLNCON 5 (17:3-18)
SILK2 17 (20:2-21)
CLNCON 5 (19-20)
ASM4 24 (12-20)
PROWL2 5 (15:3-20)
CLNCON:O (same day)
PROWL2 6
SILK2 18
CLNCON:O /2
CLNCON:O /3 (a few days later)
ASM4 25-28 (the following day or three)
……
SILK2 19
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A couple of small things
1)
PM&IF3 12 [October 21?]
DS/P:MB 1-4
CA:SR 8
IIM3 2
SLORD2 1 (“a rough few weeks” since GOTG arrived on Earth) (X-Mansion still in Limbo)
SLORD2 2 (1-3) (old Star-Lord suit) (newspaper says September 22, but must be October 22)
GOTG4 14
INFIM 1 (1-12)
GOTG4 15 (1-17)
INFIM 1 (13-16:3)
GOTG4 15 (18-19:2)
GOTG4 15 (19:3-20) ~ INFIM 1 (16:4-17)
INFIM 1 (18-21)
INFIM 2-5 (Hill around)
MG&DDINO 12 (18-20) & 13-14
VLOKI 1 (10-20) [October 22-26]
CA:SR 9-10 (shortly before CWII:OATH)
CWII:OATH-FB-FB (“days” before CWII:OATH)
DS4 12-16 [October 24-26?]
PM&IF3 14-15 (19 days after #13) [October 26?]
But PM&IF3 13 is missing

2)
NO7 4-7 & 7 (1-16) (before GOTG4 17)
should read NO7 4-6 & 7 (1-16) (before GOTG4 17), NO7 7 (17-20) is found a little further down the list
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