SECRET EMPIRE to WAR of the REALMS

[Siabod]

Hi

I noticed that ANGOTG 11 is in both Civil War II to Secret Empire (Stand alone episode) and Secret Empire to Infinity Wars (as part of the FCDB and long section of ANGOTG)

[Col_Fury]

Good eye!

I've removed it from the post-SECRET EMPIRE portion. Also, I've moved it to later in the pre-SECRET EMPIRE portion. Scott Adsit appears in ANGOTG 11 with the Nova Corps. Adsit joins the Nova Corps in DP6 30. So, ANGOTG 11 needs to be after DP6 30.

Thanks!

Also, with Thanksgiving behind us I'm starting to get caught up on things again. I'm sure I'll be reviewing things (like robf's point about A7 10 / IWARS) and pointing out new clues over the next few days.

[Col_Fury]

Doctor Strange meets Kanna while he’s in space (DS5 2). DS5 3 is an ICDWN tie-in. Doctor Strange returns to Earth in DS5 6 where he and Kanna are immediately attacked by a Doctor Strange Imposter. The plot is non-stop until DS5 8.

Kanna appears alongside Doctor Strange in ASM5 8-10.

Kanna “breaks up with” Doctor Strange in DS5 8 and really shouldn’t appear alongside him after this (until they make up of course, if that ever happens).

So… where does ASM5 8-10 go? The only spot I’m seeing is between pages 14-15 in DS5 7. The imposter is still running around but at least there’s a break in the immediate action. This is after Strange gives other magic users a heads-up about his imposter and before Strange and Kanna are separated again (after which she learns about Strange’s deceit and then eventually leaves him because of it when they're reunited in DS5 8).

I wouldn’t want to make this break too big, maybe a day or three at most. Long enough for Strange to learn a few things from Kanna, but not long enough for him to get distracted from the imposter plot.

So in theory:

ICDWNP 1
ICDWN:CM 1
ICDWN:DD 1
DS5 3
ICDWN 1-4-FBs
ICDWN:DHAWK 1-4
ICDWN:CHMPS2 1-2 (Sam stops being Nova)
DS5 4-6, 7 (1-14) (Strange returns from space)
ASM5 8-10 (Strange appears w/Kanna)
DS5 7 (15-20), 8 (Kanna leaves Strange)
ICDWN:BW 1 (Strange in New York)
ICDWN 5 (2-28)-FB

Of course, Mister Fantastic appears in ASM5 10, so all of this would have to be after FF6 4. Also, nu-Cyclops appears as well, so we’re (probably) before Extermination #1.

[Clive_Reston]

The first two parts of the Defenders/"Best Defense" thing came out today. Al Ewing noted on Twitter that the Hulk part (and presumably the others) takes place between Immortal Hulk #8 and 9, and that in fact in it Bruce Banner is still wearing the clothes he was wearing at the end of #8.

[Col_Fury]

The X-Men X-Mas special happens before UX5 1 and after Extermination. It also spans (almost) the entire month. Bearded Nightcrawler, Old Man Logan and married Rogue & Gambit all appear. So, after Rogue and Gambit return from their honeymoon in space (I should get caught up on that). I'm not sure if there will be any breaks in Dead Man Logan, though.

Speaking of which, as I guessed, Dead Man Logan #1 picks up where Old Man Logan v2 #50 leaves off (the old man passed out in the snow).

I think there's going to be a big reshuffle in the tail-end of this list coming up...

[Col_Fury]

IWARS 6 is out, so here's what I have:

IWARS 1-2 (Gamora gets Infinity Gauntlet)
IWARS:SLEEP 1 (1-6)
IWARS 3 (1-7)
IWARS 3 (8-9) ~ IWARS:SLEEP 1 (7-8) (everyone’s smooshed)
IWARS 3 (10-11)
IWARS:SOLS 1 (1-6) (Soldier Supreme gets powers)
IWARS 3 (12-20) (just got powers) (Gamora sends Loki to “newly created” smooshed reality)
IWARS:SOLS 1 (7-20) (WWII)
IWARS:IHMR 2-FB (years ago)
IWARS:WHEX 1 (1-8) (18-16 years ago)
IWARS:ARAK 1-FB (15 years ago)
IWARS:WHEX 1 (9-10) (13-8 years ago)
IWARS:IHMR 1-2 (Iron Hammer’s origin)
IWARS:WHEX 1 (11-14) (1-0.5 years ago)
IWARS:WHEX 1 (15-20), IWARS:WHEX 2 (Weapon Hex’s origin)
IWARS:ARAK 1-2 (Arachknight has an adventure)
IWARS:GP 1-2 (Ghost Panther’s origin)
ASGOTG 1-3, 4 (1-11) (Loki already sent to smooshed reality) (after T5 4)
IWARS:SLEEP 1 (9-20), 2, 3-FB (before IWARS 4)
IWARS:SOLS 2 (1-18) (Soldier Supreme arrives in present day)
IWARS:IWARPS 1-2 (after IWARS:SOLS 2 (18), before IWARS 3 (21-27))
IWARS 3 (21-27) (Loki arrives in smooshed reality)
IWARS 4 (1-26) (Emma Frost calls for heroes)
IWARS:SOLS 2 (19-20) (Soldier Supreme hears the call)
IWARS 4 (27-31), IWARS 5 (various heroes respond)
IWARS:SLEEP 3, 4 (1-18)
IWARS 6 (everyone un-smooshed)
IWARS:FG 1
IWARS:SLEEP 4 (19-20) (shortly after everyone is un-smooshed)
……
ASGOTG 4 (12-20) (some time after everyone is un-smooshed)

IWARS ∞ isn't out yet.

Almost everyone gets their memories wiped at the end, so this is a crossover almost no one remembers. Odd.

[Col_Fury]

Here's what I have for SPIDER-GEDDON:

SGEDDON 0/2 ["7 months ago"]
……
SFOR 3-FB
SUOCT 1
……
SGWEN:G-S 1 (1-8) (team-gathering)
SUOCT 1/2 (team-gathering)
ESGEDDON 1 (team-gathering)
SGEDDON 1 (team's together)
SGEDDON 2 (1-16:2)
PPSSM 311
SGEDDON 2 (16:3)
PPSSM 312, 313 (1-18)
ESGEDDON 2 (1-20:2)
SGEDDON 2 (16:4)
ESGEDDON 2 (20:3-20:6)
SGEDDON 2 (17:1-17:2)
SGEDDON 0
SGEDDON 2 (17:3-20:2)
SGWEN:G-S 1 (9:4-10)
SGEDDON 2 (20:3-20:4) (stranded)
SGWEN:G-S 1 (11-20), SGWEN:G-S 2 (still stranded)
ESGEDDON 3 (1-12)-FBs (pre-recruitment)
ESGEDDON 4 (recruitment)
SGIRLS 1-2 (recruitment)
VAULTOS 1-2
SFOR 1-FB (recruitment)
SFOR 1-2
SGEDDON 3
SGWEN:G-S 3
SGIRLS 3
SFOR 3
SGEDDON 4
PPSSM 313 (19-20)
SGEDDON 5
……
ESGEDDON 3 (13-20)-FBs (after everything)
ESGEDDON 3

I have it in my head that this happens between ASM5 10-11, but I'm not sure why.

[Col_Fury]

CHMPS2 22-23 is after at least ICDWN (Sam stops being Nova in ICDWN and is no longer Nova in CHMPS2). Both Sam and Wasp go missing.

CHMPS2 26-FB is “two weeks” before CHMPS2 26 and is very shortly after CHMPS2 23.

CHMPS2 24 is at the start of a school semester. Sam and Wasp are both still missing. Spans almost two weeks.

CHMPS2 25-27 gets Sam and Wasp back. Wasp refers to ANT&WASP2 1-5, which is after IWARS (Ant-Man returns to Earth as a result of IWARS). Also, DP7 4 is referenced.

ASM5 1-5 is also at the start of a school semester.

ASM5 8-10 has to happen during ICDWN because of Doctor Strange.

Looks like ASM5 1-5 and CHMPS2 24 cover two different school semesters.

* * *

Also,

DP7 6 has cameos by the FF (so after FF6 4) and Doctor Strange.

SSNBTNGS happens before EXTRMNTN 1-5 because Cable appears. It’s the holiday season, so I’ll say shortly after Thanksgiving. Also, definitely after FF6 1/2, and possibly after FF6 6 (I think Doom “fully” returned to Latveria in FF6 1/2, but I’d like to read FF6 6 when it’s out before we say for sure if this is before or after that).

ASM5 11 happens in mid-December, as does RUN5 12-14.

MERRYX HSPEC (1-24) is on December 1-24. MXHOL SPEC (25-30) is on December 25. Jubilee is unavailable until after this is finished. Cable is already gone, so this is after EXTRMNTN 1-5.

DP7 7 (1-2) is on December 25. DP7 7 (3-20) is “a week later.“ Santa didn’t deliver presents because Roxxon was threatening to kill Santa. At the end Deadpool helps Santa deliver the gifts late. Avengers cameo in their North Pole base.

MG&DDINO 37 is on the day before Christmas. Fantastic Four, Avengers, various Spider-people and some X-Men (including Jubilee) appear. Also, Santa appears delivering presents.

I’m going to say MG&DDINO 37 happens after DP7 7 (or technically, during the last few pages). That way, Jubilee can appear here. Also, so Santa can appear here.

So,

ASM5 1-5 [mid-August]
……
ICDWNP 1
ICDWN:CM 1
ICDWN:DD 1
DS5 3
ICDWN 1-4-FBs
ICDWN:DHAWK 1-4
ICDWN:CHMPS2 1-2 (Sam stops being Nova)
DS5 4-6, 7 (1-14) (Strange returns from space)
ASM5 8-10 (Strange appears w/Kanna) (Mr. Fantastic appears)
DS5 7 (15-20), 8 (Kanna leaves Strange)
ICDWN:BW 1 (Strange in New York)
ICDWN 5 (2-28)-FB
……
INFINITY WARS (Ant-Man returns to Earth)
……
ANT&WASP2 1-4, 5 (1-18) (Ant-Man back on Earth) [baseball playoffs] [early October]
RUN5 1-10 [middle of school semester]
ANT&WASP2 5 (19-20) [“2 weeks later”] [world series] [mid/late October]
DP7 5 [Halloween]
……
DP7 6 (FF & Doctor Strange appear)
……
SSNBTNGS (Cable appears) (Dr. Doom appears) [late November]
EXTRMNTN 1-5 (Cable dies) (Namor still helping Jean Grey ("Searebro" still in Atlantis))
X:EXTRNTD 1
MERRYX HSPEC (Cable’s already dead, Jubilee missing) [all thru December]
ASM5 11 [mid-December]
RUN5 12-14 [mid-December]
MERRYX HSPEC (Jubilee back) [all thru December]
DP7 7 (Santa’s missing) [December 25]
MG&DDINO 37 (Santa’s back, Jubilee appears) [late December]
CHMPS2 22-23, 26-FB (Vision repaired) (Miles recovering) (Sam no longer Nova)
CHMPS2 24 [early-to-mid January]
CHMPS2 25-27 (after ANT&WASP2 1-5, DP7 4)

[Clive_Reston]

Almost everyone gets their memories wiped at the end, so this is a crossover almost no one remembers. Odd.

I meeeeaaaannnnn... you could say the same of Secret Wars 2015. Or Age of Ultron. Or DC Vs. Marvel, to some extent. Or Crisis on Infinite Earths, Psycho-Pirate aside. Or, actually, FF Annual #3...

[StrayLamb]

Or Spider-Man's entire marriage to Mary-Jane..

[Somebody]

SSNBTNGS happens before EXTRMNTN 1-5 because Cable appears. It’s the holiday season, so I’ll say shortly after Thanksgiving. Also, definitely after FF6 1/2, and possibly after FF6 6 (I think Doom “fully” returned to Latveria in FF6 1/2, but I’d like to read FF6 6 when it’s out before we say for sure if this is before or after that).

Fury, maybe you could write a title in full the first time it appears in your posts, especially when it's something like SSNBTNGS (which I can't parse at all). Please?

[Col_Fury]

Yeah, I can do that.

SSNBTNGS = SEASON'S BEATINGS, by the way.

IMMH 6-7 (or more likely, IMMH 4-7) references Thunderbolt Ross (he doesn’t appear) which places this issue at least after CA8 2. Bruce hasn’t turned into Hulk since IMMH 5, but there’s no real mention of how long it’s been. Shaman is still doing magic tests on Sasquatch, so a few days maybe? A character from IMMH 2 shows up, but again, no real mention of how long it’s been. The Avengers appear.

IMMH 8 happens at some later point, but Hulk can’t appear in the meantime. Sasquatch says it’s been “months” since IMMH 1.

SS:BD 1 (SILVER SURFER: BEST DEFENSE) leads in to where N:BD 1 ends.

N:BD 1 (NAMOR: BEST DEFENSE) spans a week and starts before IMMH:BD 1 and ends at roughly the same time. Most likely after X:R, but I can see this being either before or after A7 10 (Namor is working to bolster Atlantis' strength here, so probably after A7 10?).

DS:BD 1 (DOCTOR STRANGE: BEST DEFENSE) leads in to the situation Hulk finds in IMMH:BD 1. IMMH:BD 1-FB happens shortly after this.

IMMH:BD 1 (IMMORTAL HULK: BEST DEFENSE) has Bruce wearing the same clothes he had in IMMH 8, so shortly after that.

DEF:BD 1 (DEFENDERS: BEST DEFENSE) says that the alternate reality Strange has only been in this world for a few hours. Also, everything gets wrapped up. Pretty good, too!

IMMH 9 has Hulk finally getting to his “home,” where he’s wanted to get to since IMMH 6. Also, last issue was yesterday. IMMH 10 is the same day and ends on a cliffhanger. Also, Absorbing Man mentions that Titania has found a "regular" job, so this is likely after the current WH arc (which has to be after IWARS because of a surprise guest star).

[Somebody]

Yeah, I can do that.

And yet you didn't (At least I recognised Immortal Hulk!)

SSNBTNGS = SEASON'S BEATINGS, by the way.

...yeah, I was never going to get that from SSNBTNGS! (I was wondering if some weird Silver Surfer/Thing one-shot had happened!). SEASBTGS might read better.

[Col_Fury]

SEASBTGS works for me!

Loki appears in ICDWNP 1.

Loki appears in T5 1-4, which is where Thor returns to his Thor duties, and is obviously before A7 1-6 (where Thor is already back).

Loki appears in A7 1-6 & A7 8-10. Loki is unavailable to appear elsewhere between A7 6 & 8 because he’s been taken away by the Celestials. He’s free to appear after A7 10, which references ICDWNP 1.

Loki appears throughout IWARS, which also features the Avengers team formed in A7 1-6.

In theory:

ICDWNP 1
T5 1-4
A7 1-10
INFINITY WARS

It's looking like the "Countdown Block" is going to get broken up. Stay tuned!

[Col_Fury]

Namor goes bad in A7 8-10, which will be followed up on in the upcoming Invaders book, so this should (in theory) be his most recent appearance.

Post-Secret Empire, Namor appears in T5 1, X:R 1, 4, 5-7 & 10-11 and the Best Defense series of one-shots. He’s also still helping Jean Grey in Extermination, but he doesn’t appear.

X:R 10-11 should be before A7 8-10, according to an editor’s note. Also, the time displaced X-men appear in X:R 11, so this is before Extermination. ASM5 8-10 is before Extermination as well for the same reason.

IMMH 4-7 is likely after A7 8-10; IMMH 7 leads into the Best Defense series of one-shots where Namor is trying to bolster Atlantis’ strength.

In theory:

T5 1
X:R 1-11
A7 8-10
Extermination
Best Defense

Also, the new Avengers grouping appears in (so far) DP7 1-3, ASM5 1-5, LOCM 1-5, WKNDFVR, SENTRY3 1-5, X:R 10-11, IWARS 1-6, IMMH 6-7, ASM5 8-10, USQG2 37, MG&DDINO 37 and of course A7 1-10.

Also, The TYPHOID FEVER series of one-shots (TYPHOIDF:SM, X & IF) all happen in the same night. Before at least UX5 1.