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Mys-Tech Wars to Infinity Crusade

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Although this area has been tackled on a number of occasions, a number of individual characters are still out of alignment with each other between Mys-Tech Wars and Infinity Crusade.

I’ve consulted prior posts on the subject, in particular this one, which contains a lot of valuable info. In the years since this topic was created, a number of the problems mentioned here have since been fixed, but not all of them. I’m treating these all together since they’re all interconnected.

Algernon Crowe & Bronwen Gryfnn list Shadow Riders 2 before Dark Angel 12, while Dark Angel has them the other way around. Dark Angel’s appearance in SHDWR 2 is a single panel, where she’s depicted as being in the Urals, but i couldn’t see any other reference to her being in the Urals in any of the surrounding comics. Ghost Rider is prominent in the issue, and he lists it after Mys-Tech Wars. Dark Angel 9-12 is a single story-arc which encompasses Mys-Tech Wars, so i’m inclined to say that Dark Angel’s listing is the correct placement.

Algernon Crowe also lists Battletide 1 after Plasmer 1-4, but Captain America lists Plasmer 3-4 after SECDEF 6-8, and well after Thor 458. Hercules lists BTIDE 2-4 between Mys-Tech Wars & Thor 458. Wolverine lists BTIDE 1-4 after Dark Angel 11-12, and before SECDEF 1-3 & FF 374. Spider-Man lists SSM 203 & SECDEF 6-8 after FF 378. Therefore, BTIDE 1 should go between Dark Angel 12 & Plasmer 1-4 for Algernon Crowe. Gene Dogs 1-4 is listed in there, and since BTIDE 1 was released a year before Gene Dogs, i would place BTIDE first.

GRYFNN, BRONWEN
---
MTW 4
SHDWR 2 * MOVE FROM HERE
DANGEL 12
SHDWR 2 * MOVE TO HERE
DANGEL 13
DANGEL 14
DANGEL 15
DANGEL 16
DMTL 4

CROWE, ALGERNON
---
MTW 4
SHDWR 2 * MOVE FROM HERE
DANGEL 12
SHDWR 2 * MOVE TO HERE
BTIDE 1 * MOVE TO HERE

GDOGS 1
GDOGS 2
GDOGS 3
GDOGS 4
PLASMER 1-FB * ADD
PLASMER 1
PLASMER 2
PLASMER 3
PLASMER 4
BTIDE 1 * MOVE FROM HERE
DANGEL 13
DANGEL 14
DANGEL 15
DANGEL 16
---


Death’s Head II lists SHDWR 2 after BTIDE 1-4, but Dark Angel has them the other way around. Once again, i’m inclined to follow Dark Angel’s listings.

DEATH'S HEAD/MINION II/"HOOD" | EARTH-8410
---
MTW 4
DHII2 6
DHII2 7
DHII2 8
DHII2 9
SHDWR 2 * MOVE TO HERE
BTIDE 1
BTIDE 2
BTIDE 3
BTIDE 4
BTIDE2 1
BTIDE2 2
BTIDE2 3
BTIDE2 4
DHII2 10
DHII2 11
DHII2 12
DHII&ODCUT 1
DHII&ODCUT 2
SHDWR 1 * MOVE FROM HERE
KOP2 13
KOP2 14
KOP2 15
DANGEL 13
DANGEL 14
DANGEL 15
DANGEL 16
---

*************************************************


My old nemesis, Sleepwalker, lists SLEEP 25/2, 30, 19 (20 - 22), and 20-29 all after Infinity Crusade, but Hobgoblin lists SLEEP 20-22 prior to DLOK2 26, which is definitely correct as SLEEP 21-22 is referenced in that issue, and Deathlok has this prior to Infinity Crusade. DLOK2 29 is tied into Infinity Crusade, so that can’t be moved.

SLEEPWALKER
---
DSSS 46
SLEEP 19 (1 - 11)
SECDEF 4
SECDEF 5
SLEEP 25/2 * MOVE TO HERE
SLEEP 30 * MOVE TO HERE
SLEEP 19 (12 - 22) * MOVE TO HERE
SLEEP 20 * MOVE TO HERE
SLEEP 21 * MOVE TO HERE
SLEEP 22 * MOVE TO HERE
SLEEP 23 * MOVE TO HERE
SLEEP 24 * MOVE TO HERE

IC 1
T 464
---
IC 6
SLEEP 25/2 * MOVE FROM HERE
SLEEP 30 * MOVE FROM HERE
SLEEP 19 (12 - 22) * MOVE FROM HERE
SLEEP 20 * MOVE FROM HERE
SLEEP 21 * MOVE FROM HERE
SLEEP 22 * MOVE FROM HERE
SLEEP 23 * MOVE FROM HERE
SLEEP 24 * MOVE FROM HERE

SLEEP 25
SLEEP 26
SLEEP 27
SLEEP 28
SLEEP 29
SLEEP 31
SLEEP 32
SLEEP 33
SECDEF 25
---
michel wrote: Sun Jul 17, 2022 10:28 amBeetle has SLEEP 20 after DHAWK 30, which is during IC 3, so SLEEP 20 must be moved before DHAWK 30.

BEETLE II/ABNER RONALD JENKINS
...
AF 121
SLEEP 20 <-- MOVE TO HERE
DHAWK 30
SLEEP 20 <-- MOVE FROM HERE
LFSM 1
...

*****************************************


An unscarred Thing appears in Quasar 50, placing this prior to FF 374. This has been mentioned in a number of posts over the years, but it’s never been fixed. Looking into the comics, i haven’t seen anything preventing this move for the characters who would be affected: Dr Strange, Human Torch, Modred the Mystic, Moondragon, Silver Surfer, and Thing, plus Thunderstrike & Uatu due to their appearance in Q 47.

Doctor Strange lists Darkhold 5-7 sometime after MTW, but Punisher lists these issues prior to MMOUTH&KP 6, and Motormouth lists MMOUTH&KP 6-9 prior to MTW. Punisher's listing appears to be the correct one.

DOCTOR STRANGE/DR. STEPHEN VINCENT STRANGE/"STEPHEN SANDERS"
---
T 455/2
T 456
DHOLD 5 * MOVE TO HERE
DHOLD 6 * MOVE TO HERE
DHOLD 7 * MOVE TO HERE

MTW 1
MTW 2
MTW 3
MTW 4
ST3-FB
ST3
NW 32
NW 33
NW 34
NW@ 3
DHOLD 5 * MOVE FROM HERE
DHOLD 6 * MOVE FROM HERE
DHOLD 7 * MOVE FROM HERE

Q 50 * MOVE TO HERE
M/S-H3 14/2
HELL:PL 2
WLOCK&TIW 14
DSSS 48
DSSS 49
DSSS 50
DSSS 51
DSSS 52-FB
SECDEF 1 (1 - 3)
SECDEF 1-FB
SECDEF 1 (4 - 22)
MORB:LV 8
DSSS 52
MORB:LV 9
SECDEF 2
DSSS 53
SECDEF 3
FF 374
SECDEF 4
SECDEF 5
DSSS@ 3
DSSS@ 3/2
SOV 13-BTS
Q 50 * MOVE FROM HERE
SECDEF 6
SECDEF 7
SECDEF 8
SECDEF 9
SECDEF 10
---


Ghost Rider (Ketch) lists DHOLD 5 after SHDWR 2, but as shown above, Punisher’s listing has DHOLD 5 prior to MTW. Punisher's listing seems to be correct, based on the positions of Halloween and Chrstmas, placing DHOLD 5 prior to MTW.

GHOST RIDER XXXV/DANIEL KETCH
KALE, NOBLE

---
SOV 12
SOV 11
DHOLD 5 * MOVE TO HERE
MTW 2
SHDWR 2
DHOLD 5 * MOVE FROM HERE
DSSS 50
M/HOL 1993/5
---


HUMAN TORCH II/JONATHAN LOWELL SPENCER STORM
---
MTW 1
MTW 2
MTW 3
ST3-FB
ST3
NW 33
NW 34
NW@ 3
FFU 1
FFU 1/2-BTS
Q 50 * MOVE TO HERE
FF 371
FF 372
FF 373
FF 374
FF 375
FFU 2
FFU 3
SENSH 55
FF 376
FF 377 (1 - 12:3)
FF@ 26-BTS
FF 377 (12:4 - 22)
FF 378
Q 50 * MOVE FROM HERE
IC 1
---


MODRED THE MYSTIC
---
DHOLD 6
DHOLD 7
DHOLD 8
DHOLD 10
Q 50 * MOVE TO HERE
DHOLD 11 [Midnight Massacre]
SOV 13
Q 50 * MOVE FROM HERE
DHOLD 12
DHOLD 14
---


MOONDRAGON/HEATHER DOUGLAS/"H.D. STECKLEY"
---
FF@ 25/4
Q 50 * MOVE TO HERE
WLOCK&TIW 12
WLOCK&TIW 13
SS: HOMECOMING
WLOCK&TIW 14
WLOCK&TIW 15
SS/WLOCK:R 1
SS/WLOCK:R 2
SS/WLOCK:R 3
SS/WLOCK:R 4
WLOCK&TIW 16
WLOCK&TIW 17
Q 50 * MOVE FROM HERE
IC 1 (2 - 3) ~ WLOCK&TIW 18 (1)
--


Silver Surfer lists DSSS 50 prior to Warheads 7-8, but WARH 7-8 takes place prior to Mys-Tech Wars, WARH 11 being part of MTW, while Dr Strange lists DSSS 50 well after MTW.

SILVER SURFER/NORRIN RADD
---
IW 6 (30 - 42)
IH@ 18/2
NSUB@ 2
SS@ 5
DSSS@ 2
DSSS 50 * MOVE FROM HERE
WARH 7
WARH 8
Q 50 * MOVE TO HERE
DSSS 50 * MOVE TO HERE

SS3 70
SS3 71
SS3 72
SS3 73
SS3 74
SS3 75
HERALDS 4-FB
SS: HOMECOMING
SS3 76
SS3 77
SS3 78
SS3 79
SS3 80
SS3 81
SS3 82
TM/:BB (33 - 48)
SS/WLOCK:R 1
SS/WLOCK:R 2
SS/WLOCK:R 3
SS/WLOCK:R 4
Q 50 * MOVE FROM HERE
SECDEF 9
SECDEF 10
PLASMER 3
PLASMER 4
SS@ 6
IC 1
---


THING II/MAJ. BENJAMIN J. GRIMM
---
FFU 1
FFU 1/2-BTS
Q 50 * MOVE TO HERE
FF 370 (20:4 - 22)
FF 371
FF 372
FF 373
FF 374
FF 375
FFU 2
FFU 3
SENSH 55
FF 376
FF 377 (1 - 12:3)
FF@ 26
FF 377 (12:4 - 22)
FF 378 (1 - 20)
DLOK2 26
Q 50 * MOVE FROM HERE
IC 1
---


*********************************************


Thunderstrike lists SECDEF 9-10 after TCORPS 1-4 & TSTRK 2-3, but TCORPS is after Infinity Crusade for Thor, and SECDEF 9-10 is before Infinity Crusade for Dr Strange.

THUNDERSTRIKE/ERIC KEVIN MASTERSON
From Thor IV
TSTRK 1
Q 47 * MOVE TO HERE
Q 48 * MOVE TO HERE

FF 378
SMU 2
Q 47 * MOVE FROM HERE
Q 48 * MOVE FROM HERE

SECDEF 9 * MOVE TO HERE
SECDEF 10 * MOVE TO HERE

TCORPS 1
TCORPS 2
TCORPS 3
TCORPS 4
TSTRK 2
TSTRK 3
SECDEF 9 * MOVE FROM HERE
SECDEF 10 * MOVE FROM HERE

Q 54
Q 60
---


UATU
---
A 363
WI?2 51
WI?2 52
Q 47 * MOVE FROM HERE
FF 369
Q 47 * MOVE TO HERE
FF 371
FF 373
FF 374
FF 375
WI?2 53
WI?2 53/2
WI?2 53/3
IC 2
---


******************************************


Several characters are missing from the listings.

AFTERMATH
PLASMER 3
PLASMER 4

BAXTER
PLASMER 2

BAXTER (change to BAXTER II)
GENX 65

BENSON
PLASMER 3

CAPTAIN KEROSENE/GULLIVER JONES
PLASMER 1
PLASMER 2
PLASMER 3
PLASMER 4

CARSTAIRS
PLASMER 2

CARSTAIRS (change to CARSTAIRS II)
IM:DOS 17
IM:DOS 18
IM:DOS 26
IM:DOS 29
IM:DOS 30
IM:DOS 31

MULLARKEY, DR. OONAGH/“MS. TIEQUE”
KP:EY 1
KP:EY 4
{MMOUTH 1}
MMOUTH 2
MMOUTH 3
MMOUTH 4
CN:GENE 2
CN:GENE 3
CN:GENE 4
MMOUTH&KP 6
MMOUTH&KP 7
MMOUTH&KP 8
PLASMER 1
PLASMER 2
PLASMER 3
PLASMER 4
GENE 5
GENE 6


Also, Plasmer’s first name is incorrect. Mrs Mullarkey's first name is Oonagh, the name given in Plasmer 1 & Official Handbook of the Marvel Universe A-Z Update 2 (Aug 2010) under the entry for Genetix, therefore Plasmer's name would also be Oonagh.

PLASMER/DONAGH MULLARKEY II (change to PLASMER/OONAGH MULLARKEY II)
PLASMER 1
PLASMER 2
PLASMER 3
PLASMER 4

PRITCHARD, SAM
PLASMER 1
PLASMER 2
PLASMER 3
PLASMER 4

SMITHERS, JACK "SMITTY"
PLASMER 3-FB
{PLASMER 1}
PLASMER 2
PLASMER 3
PLASMER 4

TOMMY
PLASMER 3-FB
{PLASMER 1}
PLASMER 2
PLASMER 3
PLASMER 4

VICTOR II
PLASMER 2
PLASMER 3

VICTOR II (change to VICTOR III)
BRSCRS 3
BRSCRS 4


Some characters are missing a vignette flashback appearance in PLASMER 1, including Algernon Crowe, listed above.

RATHCOOLE (change to RATHCOOLE, BRENDAN)
---
SHDWR 2
SHDWR 3
SHDWR 4
PLASMER 1-FB * ADD
DANGEL 13
DANGEL 14
---

TYBURN, GUDRUN
---
SHDWR 2
SHDWR 3
SHDWR 4
PLASMER 1-FB * ADD
DANGEL 13
DANGEL 14
DMTL 4

WYCHWOOD, ORMOND
---
GDOGS 2
GDOGS 3
GDOGS 4
PLASMER 1-FB *ADD
PLASMER 1
PLASMER 2
PLASMER 3
---
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Re: Mys-Tech Wars to Infinity Crusade

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StrayLamb wrote: Mon Jun 13, 2022 5:30 am My old nemesis, Sleepwalker, lists SLEEP 25/2, 30, 19 (20 - 22), and 20-29 all after Infinity Crusade, but Hobgoblin lists SLEEP 20-22 prior to DLOK2 26, which is definitely correct as SLEEP 21-22 is referenced in that issue, and Deathlok has this prior to Infinity Crusade. DLOK2 29 is tied into Infinity Crusade, so that can’t be moved.
Beetle has SLEEP 20 after DHAWK 30, which is during IC 3, so SLEEP 20 must be moved before DHAWK 30.

BEETLE II/ABNER RONALD JENKINS
...
AF 121
SLEEP 20 <-- MOVE TO HERE
DHAWK 30
SLEEP 20 <-- MOVE FROM HERE
LFSM 1
...
StrayLamb wrote: Mon Jun 13, 2022 5:30 am An unscarred Thing appears in Quasar 50, placing this prior to FF 374. This has been mentioned in a number of posts over the years, but it’s never been fixed. Looking into the comics, i haven’t seen anything preventing this move for the characters who would be affected: Dr Strange, Human Torch, Modred the Mystic, Moondragon, Silver Surfer, and Thing, plus Thunderstrike & Uatu due to their appearance in Q 47.
Doctor Strange lists Darkhold 5-7 sometime after MTW, but Punisher lists these issues prior to MMOUTH&KP 6, and Motormouth lists MMOUTH&KP 6-9 prior to MTW. Punisher's listing appears to be the correct one.
I'm afraid it's more complicated than that. Take Scarlet Witch, she doesn't appear in MTW, but Vision does, and then both appear in AWC 89-91, so if you move DHOLD 5-7 before MTW for Doctor Strange, you should move DHOLD 3-7 before AWC 89-91 for Scarlet Witch.

VISION II/"VICTOR SHADE"
...
A 357
MTW 1
MTW 2
MTW 3
AWC 89
AWC 90
AWC 91

A 358
...

SCARLET WITCH II/WANDA MAXIMOFF
...
IH2 399
AWC 87 (1 - 8)
IM 284-FB
AWC 87 (9 - 22)
AWC 88
AWC 89
AWC 90
AWC 91

WM2 16
WM2 17
WM2 18
DHOLD 3
DHOLD 3-FB
DHOLD 4
DHOLD 5
DHOLD 6
DHOLD 7

AWC 92
...

Living Lightning also appears in DHOLD 3, so he also should have it moved before AWC 89, et cetera...

So StrayLamb, do you mind if for this part we wait until I reach this period in my cleaning up, so I can check it out globally?
StrayLamb wrote: Mon Jun 13, 2022 5:30 am Thunderstrike lists SECDEF 9-10 after TCORPS 1-4 & TSTRK 2-3, but TCORPS is after Infinity Crusade for Thor, and SECDEF 9-10 is before Infinity Crusade for Dr Strange.
Be careful because in TCORPS 3, Thunderstrike, Beta Ray Bill and Dargo summon Thor and they're not sure when they'll pluck him, so there's likely time travel involved for Thor here.
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Re: Mys-Tech Wars to Infinity Crusade

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michel wrote: Sun Jul 17, 2022 10:28 amBeetle has SLEEP 20 after DHAWK 30, which is during IC 3, so SLEEP 20 must be moved before DHAWK 30.

BEETLE II/ABNER RONALD JENKINS
...
AF 121
SLEEP 20 <-- MOVE TO HERE
DHAWK 30
SLEEP 20 <-- MOVE FROM HERE
LFSM 1
...
Good catch - Thanx! Aded to suggested updates above.
michel wrote: Sun Jul 17, 2022 10:28 am
StrayLamb wrote: Mon Jun 13, 2022 5:30 am An unscarred Thing appears in Quasar 50, placing this prior to FF 374. This has been mentioned in a number of posts over the years, but it’s never been fixed. Looking into the comics, i haven’t seen anything preventing this move for the characters who would be affected: Dr Strange, Human Torch, Modred the Mystic, Moondragon, Silver Surfer, and Thing, plus Thunderstrike & Uatu due to their appearance in Q 47.
Doctor Strange lists Darkhold 5-7 sometime after MTW, but Punisher lists these issues prior to MMOUTH&KP 6, and Motormouth lists MMOUTH&KP 6-9 prior to MTW. Punisher's listing appears to be the correct one.
I'm afraid it's more complicated than that. Take Scarlet Witch, she doesn't appear in MTW, but Vision does, and then both appear in AWC 89-91, so if you move DHOLD 5-7 before MTW for Doctor Strange, you should move DHOLD 3-7 before AWC 89-91 for Scarlet Witch.

VISION II/"VICTOR SHADE"
...
A 357
MTW 1
MTW 2
MTW 3
AWC 89
AWC 90
AWC 91

A 358
...

SCARLET WITCH II/WANDA MAXIMOFF
...
IH2 399
AWC 87 (1 - 8)
IM 284-FB
AWC 87 (9 - 22)
AWC 88
AWC 89
AWC 90
AWC 91

WM2 16
WM2 17
WM2 18
DHOLD 3
DHOLD 3-FB
DHOLD 4
DHOLD 5
DHOLD 6
DHOLD 7

AWC 92
...

Living Lightning also appears in DHOLD 3, so he also should have it moved before AWC 89, et cetera...

So StrayLamb, do you mind if for this part we wait until I reach this period in my cleaning up, so I can check it out globally?
Of course! As always i welcome your input and methodical approach.
michel wrote: Sun Jul 17, 2022 10:28 am
StrayLamb wrote: Mon Jun 13, 2022 5:30 am Thunderstrike lists SECDEF 9-10 after TCORPS 1-4 & TSTRK 2-3, but TCORPS is after Infinity Crusade for Thor, and SECDEF 9-10 is before Infinity Crusade for Dr Strange.
Be careful because in TCORPS 3, Thunderstrike, Beta Ray Bill and Dargo summon Thor and they're not sure when they'll pluck him, so there's likely time travel involved for Thor here.
Well we can table that one as well until someone can check that out.
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