random CONAN bits

[Col_Fury]

Conan made a few cameo appearances in random Marvel books. Here are the ones I know about, if only to get them all in one place so we can reference them as needed.

Shadz pointed these out:

M/SAGA 1
-M/SAGA 1 (2:3) is a generic shot of Atlantis sinking into the ocean. No characters appear.
-M/SAGA 1 (2:4) is a shot of Conan and Red Sonja (bikini-clad, so after COB 24) facing off against a wizard’s shadow (looks like Kulan Gath’s silhouette to me; tall hat & robes).

As far as I can see, there hasn’t been a published adventure where Conan AND Red Sonja fight Kulan Gath together. So where would this go?

This probably isn’t between COB 15 & COB 253; Gath vaguely recalled fighting Conan 10 years earlier in COB 253. And then he dies in COB 260. He’s resurrected in CO:F&F 1-3, and then Conan chops his head off. At least everyone recognizes everyone in this one, and Conan says he’s seen Kulan Gath die twice (with reminder flashbacks to COB 15 & COB 260).

M/TU 79 mentions that Red Sonja killed Kulan Gath once by cutting out his heart, so they’ve met at least once.

I’d say to place this at least after COB 260, which would also likely mean after COB 275. Also, probably after CO:F&F 1-3, given the references there. Of course, we don’t know if Kulan Gath “dies” in this untold tale from M/SAGA 1, but still. I see some online references that CO:F&F 1-3 is after COB 275, so that’s nice.

I’m the least sure about this placement, so I’m sure we’re going to move it at some point.

DSSS 11/2
There’s a LOT missing in the MCP from this story. Currently the only character listed is Merlin in a -FB, not even Doctor Strange who’s reading the book to experience the -FB. Having said that I’m just going to focus on Conan characters for now and we can deal with the rest later.

DSSS 11/2 (2:3)-FB is King Kull fighting Thulsa Doom before killing him. Kull killed him in M/PRV 19, so during that issue.
DSSS 11/2 (3:2)-FB is Conan and Red Sonja preparing to fight Morophla and Uathacht. The only spot I’m seeing for this particular shot is between pages 12-13 of COB 43.

P@ 2/4
Uatu, Grog, Set and Seth are already in the MCP.
-from the Punisher Index
Conan, Conn, Ferdrugo, Thoth-Amon, Duke Villagro all appear in fb.

FLASHBACKS:
Thoth-Amon and Villagro scheme to use the Cobra Crown to compel Zingara’s king Ferdrugo to install Villagro as the new king, but Thoth-Amon betrays Villagro and makes himself king. Conan arrives and warns the Zingarans of the magic at work, and Thoth-Amon kills Villagro, which unfortunately burns out the crown’s power (SAVSCO 41-43). Thoth-Amon and his Serpent-Men war with Conan and his son Conn for decades (COK 1-19 & KCO 20-55). Seth passes himself off as the personification of Set to a pair of priests, angering Set.

The Index says these are reminder flashbacks (except for that last bit with Seth & Set), but there may be some new material to place. Whenever I get around to reading SAVSCO 41-43 & KCO 1-19 & COK 20-55 I’ll see what there is, I guess.

wolframbane pointed this one out:

FF 405
-Conan is pulled into the present from the events of COB 13, while fighting Omm. Easy!

And these are already in the MCP, but could use some context:

SJNS
-Conan battles a wanderer in the snow in front of a burning building.
-technically, this would be a flash-forward within a flashback, as the villain Ombu-Doksi was in pre-Hyborian Age Atlantis in the previous panel weaving a tapestry of things that all came true, then in the following panel she’s dancing while Atlantis sinks into the ocean. Still, it takes place before the “now” portion of the story and like the narration says, it came true. So whatever.

TCORPS 3
-“a battle-stained barbarian” Conan is confronted by an astronaut. He’s in a forest surrounded by dead bodies.

Both of these could go pretty much anywhere in Conan’s pre-king chronology. The Thor Index says Conan's next appearance after TCORPS 3 is SAVSCO 128, so there's that.

Did I miss anything?

Chronologies!

KULAN GATH
……
[COB 253]
*[COB 260]
*M/SAGA 1-OP
M/TU 79
……

KULL
……
KULLD 29
M/PRV 19 (5:5)-FB
*M/PRV 19 (1 - 27)
*DSSS 11/2-FB
*M/PRV 19 (28 - 33)
KULLC2 1
……

MOROPHLA
COB 43 (1 - 12)
DSSS 11/2-FB
COB 43 (13 - 18)
COB 44

RED SONJA
……
[SAVSCO 1]
*COB 43 (1 - 12)
*DSSS 11/2-FB
*COB 43 (13 - 18)
COB 44
……
[SAVSCO 223/2]
*M/SAGA 1
M/TU 79

THULSA DOOM/"ARDYON"
……
KULLD 29
M/PRV 19-FB
*M/PRV 19 (1 - 27)
*DSSS 11/2-FB
*M/PRV 19 (28 - 33)

UATHACHT
COB 43 (1 - 12)
DSSS 11/2-FB
COB 43 (13 - 18)
COB 44

And a round ‘em up for the big man:

CONAN
COB 1 (14:4)-FB
SAVT 4 (4:4)-FB
COB 48-FB
COB 8-FB
COB 1 (14:5)-FB
SAVT 4 (4:5 - 4:7)-FB
COB 31-FB
COB 1
COB 2
COB 3-FB
COB 3
COB 4
COB 5
COB 6
COB:HOA
COB 7
COB 8
COB 9
COB 10
COB 11-FB
COB 11
COB 12
COB 13 (1 - 15:2)
FF 405
COB 13 (15:3 - 22)
COB 14
COB 15
COB 17
COB 18
COB 19
COB 20
COB 21
COB 23
COB 24
COB 25
COB 26
COB 27
COB 28
COB 29
[SAVSCO 132-FB]
COB 30
COB 31
COB 32-FB
COB 32
COB 33
COB 34
COB 35
[SAVSCO 153/2]
COB 36
COB 37
COB 38
COB 39
[SAVSCO 207]
[SAVSCO 208]
[SAVSCO 209]
[SAVSCO 210]
M/SSPEC 9
COB 40
COB 41
COB 42
[SAVSCO 1]
*COB 43 (1 - 12)
*DSSS 11/2-FB
*COB 43 (13 - 18)
COB 44
SAVT 5
COB 45
SAVT 4 (6 - 7)-FB
SAVT 4
SAVT 1
[SAVSCO 34]
COB 46
COB 47
COB 48
COB 49
COB 50
COB 51
COB 52
COB 53
COB 54
COB 55
COB 56
COB 57
COB 58
COB 59
COB 60
COB 61
COB 62
COB 63
COB 65
COB 66 (1 - 16)
COB 66 (17) ~ M/FEA2 6
COB 67
M/FEA2 7
COB 68
[COB 69]
COSAV 2/2
COSAV 3/2
COSAV 4/2
[COB 100]
[SAVSCO 116]
COB2 1
COB2 2
COB2 3
[COB 231]
[SAVSCO 101]
M/GN:COBSOS
[SAVSCO 66]
[SAVSCO 108/2]
M/GN 19
[SAVSCO 117]
[COB 275]
SAVSCO 219
SAVSCO 220
[SAVSCO 221]
CO:ROOT
[SAVSCO 223]
[SAVSCO 62]
*COV.RUNE (move to here) (barbarian near Turan)
M/GN:COR-FB (in Turan)
M/GN:COR
M/SSPEC 2 (7:4 - 8)-FB
[SAVSCO 38]
CORG
[SAVSCO 223/2]
*M/SAGA 1
[SAVSCO 37]
M/SSPEC 2 (6:2 - 6:3)-FB
[SAVSCO 189/2]
*SJNS-FB (move to here)
*TCORPS 3 (move to here)
*[SAVSCO 128] (move to here)
[SAVSCO 206]
M/SSPEC 2
[SAVSCO 73 (1 - 4:4)]
SAVSCO 225 (12:6)-FB
[SAVSCO 73 (4:5 - 49)]
SAVSCO 225 (13:1 - 13:3)-FB
SAVSCO 225
SAVT 2
SAVT 3
SAVT 3/3
[SAVSCO 211]
**SJNS-FB (move from here)
**TCORPS 3 (move from here)
**[SAVSCO 128] (move from here)
**COV.RUNE (move from here) (not a king yet)
[COSAV 4]
*[P@ 2/4-FB]

[wolframbane]

I may be wrong, but I believe that Red Sonja was never actually depicted battling Kulan Gath during the Hyborian Age. Twice during the modern era yes, both no direct Hyborian appearance other than Marvel Saga #1.

[StrayLamb]

Just as an aside, Sonja and Osin, a Conanesque character, along with others, battle Kulan Gath in Dynamite's Red Sonja 12-18 (2007). Sonja is clad in her bikini armor, and she has a vague feeling that she had known of Kulan Gath, possibly in a dream. I know Dynamite isn't Marvel, but Dynamite's Red Sonja 1-34 are very similar to Marvel's take on the character. They even have stories where she is wearing her other Marvel outfits. Dynamite's issue 35 on feature a different version of the character.

[Col_Fury]

M/TU 79 has a reference to Red Sonja cutting out Kulan Gath’s heart at some point. Roy’s chronology in CONAN SAGA 96 says this likely happened before her first appearance in COB, meaning Sonja met Kulan Gath before Conan did. This hasn’t been shown on-panel anywhere, but there it is.

Also, Kulan Gath’s spirit was in his necklace found in M/TU 79, and Sonja’s spirit was in her sword in M/TU 79, which was displayed along with Kulan Gath’s necklace. Maybe I’m reading too much into it, but does that mean the items were found together, and that they died at the same time?

SM/RS 1-5 Sonja doesn’t remember meeting Spider-Man, but Spider-Man remembers meeting Sonja. At the end, Sonja returns to her own time, so she was pulled from the past before she died. She’s in her chainmail bikini, so likely sometime before M/SSPEC 9/2. In SM/RS 2, Sonja says she’s seen the death of gods, ridden on winged beasts and destroyed armies, so probably not before her first published appearance. When she returns in SM/RS 5, she materializes on an altar of Kulan Gath, so probably in Stygia?

RS 1 starts with Sonja in Argos, which borders Stygia. In the following issues she heads north to Zingara. In RS 5 she’s back in Argos. She becomes a general in RS 8, and flies winged creatures in RS 10-11. She’s still in Argos in RS 14, but leaves for Aquilonia where she arrives in RS 15. Aquilonia is north of Argos, Stygia is south of Argos. She’s in Shem in COB 115, which borders Stygia. In M/SSPEC 9/2 she returns to Hyrkania, which is way east. It looks like after COB 115 is the best bet.

RED SONJA
KULLB 3/2-FB
SAVSCO 1/2 (2:4 - 2:7)-FB
COB 24-FB-BTS
{COB 23}
COB 24
SAVSCO 1/2 (4 - 10:6)-FB
SAVSCO 1/2
SAVSCO 153/2-FB
SAVSCO 153/2
SAVSCO 187/2
SAVSCO 1-FB
SAVSCO 1
GSCO 1-FB
COB 43 (1 - 12)
DSSS 11/2-FB
COB 43 (13 - 18)
COB 44
RS3 3-FB
SAVSCO 157/2
COB 48/2
KULLB 2/3
M/FEA2 1
KULLB 3/2
M/FEA2 2
M/FEA2 3
M/FEA2 4
M/FEA2 5
M/FEA2 6 (1 - 16)
COB 66 (1 - 16)-VO
M/FEA2 6 (17) ~ COB 66 (17)
COB 67
M/FEA2 7
COB 68
RS 1
RS 2
RS 3
RS 4
RS 5
RS 6
SAVSCO 23/3
RS 7
RS 8
RS 9
RS 10
RS 11
RS 12
RS 13
RS 14
RS 15
SAVSCO 45/2
[COB 115]
*SM/RS 1
*SM/RS 2
*SM/RS 3
*SM/RS 4
*SM/RS 5
M/SSPEC 9/2
RS2 1 (1 - 14:1)
SAVSCO 225/2 (5:3 - 5:4)-FB
RS2 1 (14:2 - 17)
SAVSCO 225/2 (5:5)-FB
RS2 1 (18 - 22)
RS2 2 (1 - 8:2)
SAVSCO 225/2 (6:3)-FB
RS2 2 (8:3 - 21)
SAVSCO 225/2 (6:7)-FB
RS2 2 (22:1 - 24:2)
SAVSCO 225/2 (7:5)-FB
RS2 2 (24:3 - 24:6)
SAVSCO 225/2 (7:6 - 7:7)-FB
RS2 2 (24:7 - 24:9)
SAVSCO 225/2 (7:8 - 7:9)-FB
RS2 2 (25)
RS:SH 1
RS3 1
RS3 2
RS3 3
RS3 4
RS3 5
RS3 6
RS3 7
RS3 8
RS3 9
RS3 10
RS3 11
RS3 12
RS3 13
[COB 195]
[COB 250]
SAVSCO 194/2
SAVSCO 195/2
SAVSCO 207/2
SAVSCO 208/2
SAVSCO 209/2
SAVSCO 210/2
SAVSCO 229/2
SAVSCO 192/3
SAVSCO 230/2
SAVSCO 231/2
SAVSCO 232/2
SAVSCO 233/2
CO:ROOT
SAVSCO 223/2
SAVSCO 224/4
SAVSCO 226
SAVSCO 229
SAVSCO 230
SAVSCO 231
SAVSCO 232
SAVSCO 233
SAVSCO 172/4
SAVSCO 178/2
M/SAGA 1
SAVSCO 169/2
SAVSCO 144
SAVSCO 145
SAVSCO 170
SAVSCO 179
COK 28
M/TU 79

Also,

CONAN SAGA #14 (June 1988)
2nd Story:
By Tom DeFalco & John Romita Jr.

APPEARANCES:
Ealsmann (a wizard, also in fb), Titonix, Pendog (mercenaries), Dar (in fb, a wizard during the time of Atlantis), Queen of Colonia (in fb), King of Colonia (bts in fb), Temple of Keeno priests, Teeshma residents

FLASHBACK:
Dar collects his magic knowledge into a book, which has been coveted by wizards for millennia. A while back, Ealsmann turned the Queen of Colonia into a harpy and was run out of town.
SYNPOSIS:
In Teeshma, a wizard hires two mercenaries to get the Book of Dar from a nearby temple for him. They arrive at the temple of Keeno but are quickly discovered by the priests. They fight their way to the Book, but when they pick it up it turns to dust. They plan to tell Ealsmann the news, but as they leave the Book reforms itself.

DAR
COSAGA 14/2-FB

EALSMANN
COSAGA 14/2-FB
COSAGA 14/2

PENDOG
COSAGA 14/2

TITONIX
COSAGA 14/2