Marvel Chronology Project

Has anyone come across any reference to the ages of Scarlet Witch and Quicksilver? Per the Handbooks, it was initially 1958, and then the High Evolutionary kept them in suspended animation for decades, but with the recent revelation that Magneto was NOT their father, things are up in the air again. In the recent Scarlet Witch #11, it was stated as "twenty-five years ago," which is obviously incorrect. In Mystic Arcana Scarlet With, she is shown as a young girl, perhaps 8-10, when she meets a coven. I can possibly unravel some details here, by cross referencing the histories of these characters. Maria Russoff was one of the coven, and she was the grandmother of Werewolf By Night. Sometime after this tale, she was cast out of her village and taken in by Romani, and 15 years after that was killed after meeting the Werewolf in Giant-Size Werewolf #3, 1975.

Also, their was one issue where Scarlet Witch had her birthday, but I cannot recall which one. I think perhaps Marvel Comics Presents, but I am uncertain. Does anyone happen to know? Thanks for all your help.

I have received several requests about how I determine the breakdown of years for my Marvel Timeline. Essentially, for almost every Modern Era Earth-616 comic published since FANTASTIC FOUR #1, 1961, I have been compiling a list of references to the passage of Marvel Time, under the assumption that approximately 10-15 years of Marvel Time have passed since then (and disregarding references to Real Time such as Gregorian years like 1961 AD). This includes references to events happening like "x years ago," or determining character birth years or ages at notable points during their lives. And by using the term "Modern Era" or "ME," I start with FANTASTIC FOUR #1 during 0 ME and move forward to the most recent issues at 15 ME (and I also have notes about events preceding this as "Before the Modern Era" or "BME").

Below is a shorthand version of the Modern Era based upon publication dates and estimates of the passages of Marvel Time. It is under constant development so the values may shift on occassion. If anyone happens to come across any additional references to submit regarding character ages or passages of time, I would be happy to receive them.

MODERN ERA (or ME)

0 ME

Reed Richards defeats the alien Gormuu of Kraalo.
FANTASTIC FOUR #271, 1984. Reed mentioned this was "just before we became the Fantastic Four" in 0 ME.

The Marvel-1 crew are exposed to cosmic rays and develop powers.
FANTASTIC FOUR #1, 1961. "Thirteen years" (THING #8, 2006) before Ben Grimm had his second bar mitzvah in 13 ME. "Summer" (HUMAN TORCH #1, 2003).

The Fantastic Four are founded. The MODERN ERA begins.
FANTASTIC FOUR #1, 1961. "Several months" (OFFICIAL HANDBOOK OF THE MARVEL UNIVERSE: DELUXE EDITION #1, 1985) before the founding of the Avengers in 1 ME. "Approximately 13 years" (MARVEL ATLAS #1, 2007) before circa 13 ME. "Ten years or less" (FANTASTIC FOUR ANNUAL, 1998) before Thing was transported to Earth-98 in 9 ME. The Modern Era began during "a 10-15 year period of time" (OFFICIAL HANDBOOK OF THE MARVEL UNIVERSE: ALTERNATE UNIVERSES, 2005) before circa 12 ME, and "around 13 years" (OFFICIAL HANDBOOK OF THE MARVEL UNIVERSE A TO Z #2, 2008) before circa 13 ME. "Summer" (HUMAN TORCH #1, 2003).

The Fantastic Four halt a Skrull insurrection.
FANTASTIC FOUR #2, 1962. "Six years" (FANTASTIC FOUR ANNUAL #17, 1983) before the FF rescue King's Crossing from a Skrull pathogen in 6 ME. "Summer" (HUMAN TORCH #1, 2003).

Peter Parker is bitten by a radioactive spider and becomes the celebrity Spider-Man.
AMAZING FANTASY #15, 1962. Peter was "fifteen years old" (MARVEL GRAPHIC NOVEL #46, 1989, AMAZING SPIDER-MAN #32, 2001, CIVIL WAR #2, 2006), "age 15" (AMAZING SPIDER-MAN ANNUAL #23/2, 1989), and "fifteen" (AMAZING SPIDER-MAN #800, 2018) when he became Spider-Man, soon having his sixteenth birthday in October, before he was "sixteen" (AMAZING SPIDER-MAN #400/2, 1995) when he apprehended the Burglar in 0 ME. He was born "eight months" (SPIDER-MAN: BACK IN BLACK HANDBOOK, 2007) after the Hindu festival Ganesh Jayanti, or "Ganesh's birthday," which occurs January or February, when his mother was "about a month pregnant" (UNTOLD TALES OF SPIDER-MAN #-1, 1997); thus his birthdate was September or October. "[Over] thirteen years" (AMAZING SPIDER-MAN #1, 2014) before Peter was restored to his body in 14 ME. Reference to Peter as "seventeen" (AMAZING SPIDER-MAN #500, 2003) was erroneous.

Bruce Banner becomes the Hulk.
INCREDIBLE HULK #1, 1962. "Approximately 10 Earth years" (PLANET HULK: GLADIATOR GUIDEBOOK, 2006) before Planet Hulk in 13 ME.

Sam Sterns has an accident with gamma waste and mutates to the Leader.
TALES TO ASTONISH #62/2, 1965. "Less than a year" (TALES TO ASTONISH #62/2, 1965) before battling the Hulk in 1 ME, and "fifteen years" (IMMORTAL HULK #34, 2020) before meeting Brian Banner in the Below-Place in 15 ME.

Spider-Man apprehends to Burglar who murdered his uncle Ben Parker.
AMAZING FANTASY #15, 1962. "During Thanksgiving break" (MARVEL GRAPHIC NOVEL #46, 1989), or late November, when Peter was "sixteen" (AMAZING SPIDER-MAN #400/2, 1995) when he caught the Burglar, after he became Spider-Man at "fifteen years old" (MARVEL GRAPHIC NOVEL #46, 1989) in 0 ME.

Donald Blake reclaims Mjolnir and becomes Thor, repelling a Kronan invasion.
JOURNEY INTO MYSTERY #83, 1962. "A little over a decade" (MARVEL ATLAS #1, 2007) before Planet Hulk in 13 ME.

1 ME

The Avengers are founded.
AVENGERS #1, 1963. "Several months" (OFFICIAL HANDBOOK OF THE MARVEL UNIVERSE: DELUXE EDITION #1, 1985) after the founding of the Fantastic Four in 0 ME.

The X-Men are founded.
X-MEN #1, 1963. "Just over 12 years" (CIVIL WAR: BATTLE DAMAGE REPORT, 2007) before the Civil War in 13 ME. Iceman was a "sixteen year old" (X-MEN #1, 1963), and had his "18th birthday" (X-MEN #32, 1967) in 2 ME.

The Avengers recover Captain America from suspended animation.
AVENGERS #4, 1964. Cap was "born in 1922" (OFFICIAL HANDBOOK OF THE MARVEL UNIVERSE: AVENGERS, 2004) and frozen in "1945" (WHAT IF? #4, 1977), thus physically age 23 when he was revived, thus over a decade before his alleged death while "physically no older than his late thirties" (ALL-NEW OFFICIAL HANDBOOK OF THE MARVEL UNIVERSE UPDATE #2, 2007) in 12 ME.

Access summons the Avengers, X-Men and an extradimensional league of justice to battle Dark Access.
UNLIMITED ACCESS #2-4, 1998. "Eight, ten years" (UNLIMITED ACCESS #2, 1998) before Access traveled through time in 9 ME.

Spider-Man rescues Matt Murdock.
AMAZING SPIDER-MAN #16, 1964. Spider-Man was "about 17" (AMAZING SPIDER-MAN #16, 1964).

The Hulk first battles the Leader.
TALES TO ASTONISH #62/2, 1965. "Less than a year" (TALES TO ASTONISH #62/2, 1965) after becoming the Leader in 0 ME.

Peter Parker graduates from Midtown High School.
AMAZING SPIDER-MAN #28, 1965. Conjecture that Peter, a child prodigy and currently age 16 going on 17, graduated high school one year early to accommodate placement in the timeline.

The X-Men battle the Sentinels. Bolivar Trask is killed.
X-MEN #14-16, 1965-1966. Trask died "more than a decade" (WOLVERINE: WEAPON X FILES, 2009) before his resurrection in 13 ME.

Peter Parker enrolls in Empire State University.
AMAZING SPIDER-MAN #31, 1965. Conjecture that Peter, a child prodigy and currently age 16 going on 17, enrolled in colleg one year early to accommodate placement in the timeline.

2 ME

The X-Men celebrate the birthday of Iceman.
X-MEN #32, 1967. During his "18th birthday" (X-MEN #32, 1967), and was a "sixteen year old" (X-MEN #1, 1963) in 1 ME.

Franklin Richards is born to Reed and Sue Richards.
FANTASTIC FOUR ANNUAL #6, 1968. Franklin also was "[nearly a] five-year-old" (MARVEL TWO-IN-ONE #98, 1983) in 6 ME, "a five year old" (FANTASTIC FOUR #270, 1984) in 7 ME, a "five year old" (AMAZING SPIDER-MAN #260, 1985) in 7 ME, "six years old" (SILVER SURFER #18, 1988) in 8 ME, a "six-year-old" (EXILES #81, 2006) in 9 ME, "only seven" (FANTASTIC FOUR #51, 2002) in 10 ME, a "seven-year-old" (FANTASTIC FOUR #60, 2002) in 10 ME, had his "8th birthday" (MARVEL KNIGHTS 4 #1, 2004) in 10 ME, and was "just a few years" younger than his cousin Angus Richards, who was "nearly eleven now" (FANTASTIC FOUR #564, 2009) in 13 ME. References to Franklin as "a four-year-old" (FANTASTIC FOUR ANNUAL #20, 1987), a "five-year-old" (ONSLAUGHT: MARVEL UNIVERSE, 1996), and a "five-year-old" (FANTASTIC FOUR #8, 1998) were erroneous.

Spider-Man prevents the Kingpin from stealing the Lifeline Tablet.
AMAZING SPIDER-MAN #70, 1969. Peter Parker, who attended ESU from 1 ME to 5 ME, was a "boy sophomore" (AMAZING SPIDER-MAN #70, 1969).

Gwen Stacy is killed during a battle between Spider-Man and the Green Goblin.
AMAZING SPIDER-MAN #121, 1973. "Two years" (AMAZING SPIDER-MAN #146, 1975) before Spider-Man met the clone of Gwen Stacy in 4 ME, "two years" (AMAZING SPIDER-MAN #147, 1975) before Spider-Man battled Jackal and Tarantula in 4 ME, and "seven years" (SPIDER-MAN: THE OSBORN JOURNAL #1, 1997) before the Clone Saga in 9 ME.

3 ME

Spider-Man battles Harry Osborn, the second Green Goblin.
AMAZING SPIDER-MAN #136, 1974. Peter, who attended ESU from 1 ME to 5 ME, was a "college junior" (AMAZING SPIDER-MAN #136, 1974).

4 ME

Spider-Man encounters both a clone of Gwen Stacy and himself (Ben Reilly), and does battle with the Jackal.
AMAZING SPIDER-MAN #146-149, 1975. "Two years" (AMAZING SPIDER-MAN #146, 1975) and "two years" (AMAZING SPIDER-MAN #147, 1975) after the death of Gwen Stacy in 2 ME. "Five years" (AMAZING SPIDER-MAN #400/2, 1995) before the Clone Sage in 9 ME.

5 ME

Peter Parker attends his college graduation at ESU, but is one credit short.
AMAZING SPIDER-MAN #185/2, 1978. Peter "was supposed to graduate," except he was "one credit shy," but he "can make it up this summer" (AMAZING SPIDER-MAN #185/2, 1978), probably four years after his enrollment in Empire State University in 1 ME.

Scott Lang becomes Ant-Man to rescue Dr. Sondheim, who performs heart surgery on his daughter Cassie Lang.
MARVEL PREMIERE #47, 1979. Cassie was "[almost] a nine-year-old" (MARVEL PREMIERE #47, 1979), seven years before she became Stature when almost "fifteen" (YOUNG AVENGERS #2, 2005) in 12 ME.

The X-Men try to recruit Kitty Pryde as they battle the Hellfire Club.
X-MEN #129, 1980. Kitty was "only 13½" and "13 years old, going on fourteen" (X-MEN #129, 1980), the same year she was "13½" (UNCANNY X-MEN ANNUAL #4, 1980) in 5 ME, one year before she was "14 years old" (UNCANNY X-MEN #165, 1983) in 6 ME, one year before she was "14" and "fourteen" (SPECIAL EDITION X-MEN #1/2, 1983) in 6 ME, and four years before she was "barely sixteen" (UNCANNY X-MEN #379, 2000) in 9 ME. "Five years" (X-MEN UNLIMITED #36, 2002) before Kitty attended the University of Chicago in 10 ME.

The X-Men attend the funeral of Jean Grey. Kitty Pryde enrolls at Xavier's School.
X-MEN #138, 1980. "Nearly two years" (UNCANNY X-MEN #183, 1984) before Kitty and Colossus break up in 7 ME.

Nightcrawler is reunited with Margali Szardos.
UNCANNY X-MEN ANNUAL #4, 1980. Kitty was "13½" (UNCANNY X-MEN ANNUAL #4, 1980), the same year she was "only 13½" (X-MEN #129, 1980) in 5 ME.

6 ME

The Inhuman city of Attilan is transported to the moon. Luna Maximoff is born to Pietro Maximoff and Crystalia Amaquelin.
FANTASTIC FOUR #240, 1982. Luna was "six years old" (SON OF M #2, 2006) and "six years old" (SON OF M #4, 2006) in 12 ME.

The X-Men are infested by the Brood.
UNCANNY X-MEN #165, 1983. Kitty was "14 years old" (UNCANNY X-MEN #165, 1983), one year after she was "only 13½" (X-MEN #129, 1980) in 5 ME.

The X-Men throw a belated birthday party for Kitty Pryde.
SPECIAL EDITION X-MEN #1/2, 1983. Kitty was "14" and "fourteen" (SPECIAL EDITION X-MEN #1/2, 1983), one year after she was "only 13½" (X-MEN #129, 1980) in 5 ME. Colossus was "nineteen" (SPECIAL EDITION X-MEN #1/2, 1983), one year before he was "nearly twenty" (UNCANNY X-MEN #183, 1984) in 7 ME.

Thing and Franklin Richards defend the planet K'rith.
MARVEL TWO-IN-ONE #98, 1983. Franklin Richards, born in 2 ME, was "[nearly a] five-year-old" (MARVEL TWO-IN-ONE #98, 1983).

The New Mutants battle Sentinels.
NEW MUTANTS #2, 1983. Cannonball was age "[almost] 16 yrs." (NEW MUTANTS #2, 1983), seven years before he was "twenty-one" (UNCANNY X-MEN #503, 2008) in 13 ME. Wolfsbane was "13" (letters page of NEW MUTANT #21, 1984), the same year she was "a 13-year-old" (NEW MUTANT #10, 1983) in 6 ME, and five years before she was "nineteen" (NEW X-MEN #3, 2004) in 11 ME. Reference to Rahne as "14 yrs." (NEW MUTANTS #2, 1983) was erroneous.

Peter Parker completes his first year of postgraduate studies at ESU.
AMAZING SPIDER-MAN #243, 1983. He completed his "first-year graduate-studies" following his college graduation in 5 ME, but then he declined his "second year" (AMAZING SPIDER-MAN #243, 1983).

The Fantastic Four rescue the town of King's Crossing from a Skrull pathogen.
FANTASTIC FOUR ANNUAL #17, 1983. "Six years" (FANTASTIC FOUR ANNUAL #17, 1983) after the Skrull insurrection in 0 ME.

The New Mutants discover Nova Roma.
NEW MUTANTS #10, 1983. Wolfsbane was "a 13-year-old" (NEW MUTANT #10, 1983), the same year she was "13" (letters page of NEW MUTANT #21, 1984) in 6 ME.

7 ME

Colossus and Kitty Pryde end their relationship.
UNCANNY X-MEN #183, 1984. "Nearly two years" (UNCANNY X-MEN #183, 1984) before Kitty enrolled at Xavier's School in 5 ME. Colossus was "nearly twenty" (UNCANNY X-MEN #183, 1984), one year after he was "nineteen" (SPECIAL EDITION X-MEN #1/2, 1983) in 6 ME.

Power Pack is granted powers by Aelfyre Whitemane.
POWER PACK #1, 1984. Gee, later Zero-G, was "12 years old" (OFFICIAL HANDBOOK OF THE MARVEL UNIVERSE A TO Z #9, 2009), six years before he was "a nineteen year old" (FANTASTIC FOUR #574, 2010) in 13 ME. Lightspeed was "10" (OFFICIAL HANDBOOK OF THE MARVEL UNIVERSE A TO Z #9, 2009), one year before she turned "eleven" (POWER PACK #45, 1985) in 8 ME, and six years before she was "[almost] seventeen" (LONERS #4, 2007) in 13 ME.

The Fantastic Four battle Terminus.
FANTASTIC FOUR #270, 1984. Franklin Richards, born in 2 ME, was "a five year old" (FANTASTIC FOUR #270, 1984).

The Fantastic Four locate the missing Nathaniel Richards on Earth-6311.
FANTASTIC FOUR #271-273, 1984. Nathaniel had departed "some three years before we became the Fantastic Four" (FANTASTIC FOUR #271, 1984) prior to 0 ME, and "ten years" (FANTASTIC FOUR #272-273, 1984) after that was reuinted with his son Reed.

The Venom symbiote observes Franklin Richards.
AMAZING SPIDER-MAN #260, 1985. Franklin Richards, born in 2 ME, was a "five year old" (AMAZING SPIDER-MAN #260, 1985).

8 ME

Galactus does battle with the In-Betweener.
SILVER SURFER #18, 1988. Franklin Richards, born in 2 ME, was "six years old" (SILVER SURFER #18, 1988).

Lightspeed turns eleven and babysits Tommy Williams.
POWER PACK #45, 1985. Lightspeed turned "eleven" (POWER PACK #45, 1985), one year after she was "10" (OFFICIAL HANDBOOK OF THE MARVEL UNIVERSE A TO Z #9, 2009) in 7 ME.

Generation X is founded.
GENERATION X #1, 1994. Jubilee was "13 and a half" (GENERATION X COLLECTOR'S PREVIEW #1, 1994), two years before she was "age sixteen" (GENERATION X #68, 2000) in 10 ME. Reference to Jubilee as "a fifteen-year-old" (OFFICIAL HANDBOOK OF THE MARVEL UNIVERSE UPDATE #4, 1989) at her debut (UNCANNY X-MEN #244, 1989) in 8 ME was erroneous.

9 ME

Spider-Man and Scarlet Spider clash with the Jackal during the Clone Saga.
AMAZING SPIDER-MAN #394-418, 1994-1996. "Seven years" (SPIDER-MAN: THE OSBORN JOURNAL #1, 1997) after the death of Gwen Stacy in 2 ME. "Five years" (AMAZING SPIDER-MAN #400/2, 1995) after Spider-Man first met his clone in 4 ME.

After the Avengers and Fantastic Four are apparently slain by Onslaught, Franklin Richards creates Counter-Earth and transports them there during Heroes Reborn, but they return to Earth-616 months later.
HEROES REBORN #½, 1996, HEROES REBORN: THE RETURN #½, 1997. Franklin Richards, born in 2 ME, was a "six-year-old" (EXILES #81, 2006). The heroes returned after "several months" (OFFICIAL HANDBOOK OF THE MARVEL UNIVERSE: AVENGERS, 2004).

Access travels through time and dimensions to battle Dark Access.
UNLIMITED ACCESS #2-4, 1997-1998. "Eight, ten years" (UNLIMITED ACCESS #2, 1998) after Access battled Dark Access in 1 ME.

Thing is transported to alternate Earth-98.
FANTASTIC FOUR ANNUAL, 1998. "Ten years or less" (FANTASTIC FOUR ANNUAL, 1998) since the Modern Era heroes first appeared in 0 ME.

Charles Xavier leaves Earth with Cadre K.
UNCANNY X-MEN #379, 2000.
Kitty was "barely sixteen" (UNCANNY X-MEN #379, 2000), four years after she was "only 13½" (X-MEN #129, 1980) in 5 ME.

10 ME

Adrienne Frost returns to Massachusetts Academy.
GENERATION X #68, 2000. Jubilee was "age sixteen" (GENERATION X #68, 2000), two years after she was "13 and a half" (GENERATION X COLLECTOR'S PREVIEW #1, 1994) in 8 ME.

Franklin Richards enrolls in Stern Academy.
FANTASTIC FOUR #51, 2002. Franklin Richards, born in 2 ME, was "only seven" (FANTASTIC FOUR #51, 2002).

Valeria Richards is born to Reed and Sue Richards.
FANTASTIC FOUR #54, 2002. Valeria was "two and a half" (FANTASTIC FOUR #564, 2009) and "three" (FANTASTIC FOUR #565, 2009) in 13 ME.

Kitty Pryde attends the University of Chicago.
X-MEN UNLIMITED #36, 2002. "Five years" (X-MEN UNLIMITED #36, 2002) after Kitty first met the X-Men in 5 ME.

The Fantastic Four recover the Datavore.
FANTASTIC FOUR #60, 2002. Franklin Richards, born in 2 ME, was a "seven-year-old" (FANTASTIC FOUR #60, 2002).

The Fantastic Four celebrate the birthday of Franklin Richards.
MARVEL KNIGHTS 4 #1, 2004. During the "8th birthday" (MARVEL KNIGHTS 4 #1, 2004) of Franklin Richards, born in date, 2 ME.

11 ME

Wolfsbane becomes romantically involved with Elixir.
NEW X-MEN #3, 2004. Wolfsbane was "nineteen" (NEW X-MEN #3, 2004), five years after she was "13" (letters page of NEW MUTANT #21, 1984) in 6 ME.

12 ME

The Young Avengers are founded and battle Kang. Cassie Lang becomes Stature.
YOUNG AVENGERS #1-6, 2005. Cassie will be "fifteen" in "June" (YOUNG AVENGERS #2, 2005), seven years before her father became Ant-Man when she was "[almost] a nine-year-old" (MARVEL PREMIERE #47, 1979) in 5 ME.

Quicksilver steals Terrigen from the Inhumans but fails to restore powers to the mutants.
SON OF M #1-6, 2006. Luna Maximoff, born in 6 ME, was "six years old" (SON OF M #2, 2006) and "six years old" (SON OF M #4, 2006).

13 ME

Ben Grimm celebrates his second bar mitzvah.
THING #8, 2006. "Thirteen years" (THING #8, 2006) after Ben became the Thing in 0 ME.

The Hulk overthrows the Red King on Sakaar during Planet Hulk.
INCREDIBLE HULK #92–105, 2006-2007. "Approximately 10 Earth years" (PLANET HULK: GLADIATOR GUIDEBOOK, 2006) after Bruce Banner became the Hulk in 0 ME, "a little over a decade" (MARVEL ATLAS #1, 2007) after Thor battled the Kronans in 0 ME.

Two factions of super heroes engage in the Civil War.
CIVIL WAR #1-7, 2006-2007. "Just over 12 years" (CIVIL WAR: BATTLE DAMAGE REPORT, 2007) after the X-Men formed in 1 ME.

Captain America is allegedly killed by a brainwashed Sharon Carter.
CAPTAIN AMERICA #25, 2007. Cap was "physically no older than his late thirties" (ALL-NEW OFFICIAL HANDBOOK OF THE MARVEL UNIVERSE UPDATE #2, 2007), thus over a decade after he was revived at the physical age of 23 in 1 ME.

Lightspeed pursues an acting career.
LONERS #4, 2007. Lightspeed was "[almost] seventeen" and "[almost a] seventeen-year-old" (LONERS #4, 2007), six years after she was "10" (OFFICIAL HANDBOOK OF THE MARVEL UNIVERSE A TO Z #9, 2009) in 7 ME.

Bastion uses the transmode virus to resurrect several humans including Bolivar Trask.
X-FORCE #3, 2008. "More than a decade" (WOLVERINE: WEAPON X FILES, 2009) after the death of Trask in 1 ME.

The X-Men battle the Hellfire Cult.
UNCANNY X-MEN #503, 2008. Cannonball was "twenty-one" (UNCANNY X-MEN #503, 2008), seven years after he was age "[almost] 16 yrs." (NEW MUTANTS #2, 1983) in 6 ME.

The Fantastic Four holiday in Scotland.
FANTASTIC FOUR #564-565, 2009. Franklin, born in 2 ME, was "just a few years" younger than his cousin Angus, who was "nearly eleven" (FANTASTIC FOUR #564, 2009), and Valeria, born in 10 ME, was "two and a half" (FANTASTIC FOUR #564, 2009) and "three" (FANTASTIC FOUR #565, 2009).

The Fantastic Four celebrate the birthday of Franklin Richards. Valeria Richards meets her much older time travelling brother.
FANTASTIC FOUR #574, 2010. Zero-G was "a nineteen year old" (FANTASTIC FOUR #574, 2010), six years after he was "12 years old" (OFFICIAL HANDBOOK OF THE MARVEL UNIVERSE A TO Z #9, 2009) in 7 ME.

14 ME

The mind of Peter Parker replaces that of Otto Octavius in the body of Spider-Man.
AMAZING SPIDER-MAN #1, 2014. "[Over] thirteen years" (AMAZING SPIDER-MAN #1, 2014) after Peter Parker was bitten by spider in 0 ME.

15 ME

The souls of the Leader and Brian Banner meet in the Below-Place.
IMMORTAL HULK #34, 2020. "Fifteen years" (IMMORTAL HULK #34, 2020) after Sam Sterns had accident to become the Leader in 0 ME.

wolframbane wrote: ↑Sun Aug 16, 2020 3:33 am Has anyone come across any reference to the ages of Scarlet Witch and Quicksilver? Per the Handbooks, it was initially 1958, and then the High Evolutionary kept them in suspended animation for decades, but with the recent revelation that Magneto was NOT their father, things are up in the air again.

Unless it's also been retconned that they were not the children offered to the Whizzer after his wife died in childbirth, then they are still tied to 1958.

Another round of "How old is..?"

I was always under the impression that Wanda and Pietro were roughly the same age as the X-Men, who were 16-17 in 0-1 ME, near the age of Johnny Storm and Peter Parker.

Alex Summers, Scott's younger brother, graduates college in his first appearance. So Scott has to be older than 21-22. And Lorna is approximately the same age; so when did Magnus meet up with her birth mother? And is Lorna really a mutant if her only ability is magnetism, inherited from her father??

BTW, cool Facebook page!

-z

loki wrote: ↑Sat Aug 29, 2020 1:00 pm Unless it's also been retconned that they were not the children offered to the Whizzer after his wife died in childbirth, then they are still tied to 1958.

zilch wrote: ↑Sun Aug 30, 2020 10:06 am I was always under the impression that Wanda and Pietro were roughly the same age as the X-Men, who were 16-17 in 0-1 ME, near the age of Johnny Storm and Peter Parker.

OHOTMU: Golden Age 2004 and later Handbooks established that both Magda and Miss America both gave birth in 1958, and then Bova gave the infant Wanda and Pietro to the High Evolutionary, who kept them in suspended animation for decades as babies, before giving them to the Maximoffs to raise. The recent retcon is that they were the Serbian-born children of Django Maximoff's sister, stolen alongside dozens of other children, and genetically modified as mutates rather than mutant by HE, returned to Django to raise, and not the children of Magneto. A lot will need to be cleared up, but regardless they are physically similar in ages to the original X-Men.

zilch wrote: ↑Sun Aug 30, 2020 10:06 am Another round of "How old is..?"
Alex Summers, Scott's younger brother, graduates college in his first appearance. So Scott has to be older than 21-22. And Lorna is approximately the same age; so when did Magnus meet up with her birth mother? And is Lorna really a mutant if her only ability is magnetism, inherited from her father??

Still figuring out numerous dates and births. Olshevsky's X-Men Index #1 states Scott, Jean and Warren were all HS seniors when they debuted, but because his estimates are based upon a 1:2 year ratio, I tend to disregard some of his estimates unless supported by other sources (not disrespecting his research though - it was awesome). By my determination for the ages of the founding X-Men in 1 ME, Scott and Warren 21, Jean 20, Bobby 16, Hank 22. I am writing up an X-Men timeline I will post shortly to cite my sources, but its all open to interpretation of course. Scott was 21 (per X-Men Origins: Cyclops) in 1 ME, so Alex was 17 in 1 ME and 18 in 2 ME. Perhaps he was gifted in Geology and took an accelerated program, as Olshevsky theorized. Lorna was "nearly 20" per the OHOTMU #9 when she debuted in 2 ME, so she was born around 17 BME, thus concieved by Magnus and Suzanna in 18 BME. She was "barely three years old" (X-FACTOR #243) when her mother died and she was rescued by Magnus (now Magneto) and Mastermind in 14 BME. This pushes him assuming his costumed Magneto identity early on, and probably after he and Charles fought Strucker in spring, 14 BME, an event that pushed him back towards mutant supremacy, a notion Charles had begun to draw him away from.

zilch wrote: ↑Sun Aug 30, 2020 10:06 am BTW, cool Facebook page!

Thanks!!
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X-Men 10 (July 1965) mentions that the X-Men are graduate students, which seems to fit with Wolframbane's estimates. Junior member Bobby obviously being an exception, as he doesn't turn 18 until X-Men 32 (May 1967). We have X 32 listed immediately after XU 42/3, which is Jean Grey's birthday, but no age is given for her. Their birthdays must be close together, but not close enough that the X-Men combine them into one party. Although they may have just opted for it being a good reason to have two parties!

For my Timeline, I work on the idea that the four male members were recruited before FF #1, mainly because Beast, the final recruit, was shown at the X-Mansion in Summer, 0 ME, the same "day" (MARVEL 75TH ANNIVERSARY CELEBRATION #1, 2014) the FF launched in the Marvel-1. And thus, working backwards, Beast was recruited in "fall" (MARVEL SAGA #10, 1986) of 1 BME, Angel in "winter" (X-MEN #55/2, 1969) of 1 BME, and Iceman in "fall" (X-MEN #44/2, 1968) of 2 BME, and Cyclops in 3 BME, as he was recruited when he was "age 17," and the X-Men first battled Magneto when Cyclops was "age 21" (X-MEN ORIGINS: CYCLOPS #1, 2010) in 1 ME. This may not be fully compatible with the MCP however.

For there estimated ages -
Cyclops: The X-Men first battled Magneto (X-MEN #1, 1963) when Cyclops was "age 21" (X-MEN ORIGINS: CYCLOPS #1, 2010) in 1 ME, thus born in 20 BME. Him stating "I’m twenty-fi--!" (X-MEN #51, 1996) was probably incorrecT.
Marvel Girl: Age 24 at the time of her alleged death on her gravestone, topically "1956-1980" (X-MEN #138, 1980) in 5 ME, thus born in 19 BME and age 20 in 1 ME. She was also a "Pisces" (birthdate Feb or Mar) according to this panel I am trying to place: https://i.imgur.com/TrYwOtq.jpg
Angel: "Seventeen" in September of his "senior" year of St. Joseph's Prep, and thus eighteen when he graduated in June (ANGEL: REVELATION #1-5), and probably nineteen when he was Avenging Angel and recruited in "winter" (X-MEN #55/2, 1969) of 1 BME, thus born in 20 BME and age 21 in 1 ME.
Beast: "Approaching the big three-oh" (X-MEN v2 #19) in 8 ME, thus born in 22 BME and age 23 in 1 ME. His 20th birthday was probably incorrect in X-MEN: THE HIDDEN YEARS #22.
Iceman: A "sixteen year old" and a few "years" younger than the others (X-MEN #1, 1963) in 1 ME, and had his "18th birthday" (X-MEN #32, 1967) in 2 ME, thus born in 16 BME.

wolframbane wrote: ↑Sun Aug 30, 2020 9:38 pm Marvel Girl: Age 24 at the time of her alleged death on her gravestone, topically "1956-1980" (X-MEN #138, 1980) in 5 ME, thus born in 19 BME and age 20 in 1 ME. She was also a "Pisces" (birthdate Feb or Mar) according to this panel I am trying to place: https://i.imgur.com/TrYwOtq.jpg

That's from IH2 337 (Nov 87)

StrayLamb wrote: ↑Sun Aug 30, 2020 10:51 pm

wolframbane wrote: ↑Sun Aug 30, 2020 9:38 pm Marvel Girl: Age 24 at the time of her alleged death on her gravestone, topically "1956-1980" (X-MEN #138, 1980) in 5 ME, thus born in 19 BME and age 20 in 1 ME. She was also a "Pisces" (birthdate Feb or Mar) according to this panel I am trying to place: https://i.imgur.com/TrYwOtq.jpg

That's from IH2 337 (Nov 87)

Much appreciated SL!!

Timeline for Ant-Man, Wasp and Stature. Hank Pym was a child genius, started inventing "by age three," encouraged by his grandmother Angela Pym, building more complex devices by "five," but Angela died when he was "seven," followed by "a fifteen-year" (AGE OF ULTRON #10A.I., 2013) period where his inventions were genius but not at all wondrous. According to her gravestone, Angela lived topically "1929-1988" (AGE OF ULTRON #10A.I., 2013), thus age 59 at her death. He eventually attended college, where "I majored in bio-chemistry, minored in cybernetics, and breezed through college" and "I received my doctorate while most of my old friends were still undergrads" (AVENGERS #227, 1983), so he probably recieved his doctorate between ages 18-22. He would eventually hold "nine graduate degrees" (OFFICIAL HANDBOOK OF THE MARVEL UNIVERSE A TO Z #13, 2010). Eventually during his work, his "fellow workers" took him to a party where he fell in love with Maria Trovaya, marrying "within months," but she was abducted during their "honeymoon" in Hungary (AVENGERS #227, 1983). Maria was pregnant when abducted in 2 BME but not visibly so, and thus their daughter Nadia was probably born in 1 BME, and she is raised by the Red Room. During her debut (FREE COMIC BOOK DAY 2016 (CIVIL WAR II)) she would be age 16. Her birthday was UNSTOPPABLE WASP #7, 2019.

Hank later stated that "once back in the States, I tried to lose myself in independent research, my projects bordering on the fantastic" (AVENGERS #227, 1983). After his "fifteen-year" (AGE OF ULTRON #10A.I., 2013) period of banal inventions, Hank, now age 22, quits his laboratory job and begins work on more imaginative inventions. When the First line is destroyed by the Skrulls, Hank is observed working in his lab "years" (MARVEL: THE LOST GENERATION #12, 2000) before the Fantastic Four form, which the analysis of Hulk and the Fantastic Four places in 2 BME. He and Albert Poole initially fail to create a growth serum, then construct the robot Grutan "all that summer and during the next two summers" (STRANGE TALES #75/4, 1960, TOMB OF DARKNESS #22, 1976) before Poole fires him. He soon discovers and names the Pym Particles the same "day" (MARVEL SAGA #1, 1985, MARVEL 75TH ANNIVERSARY CELEBRATION, 2014) the Marvel-1 launches in summer, 0 ME. After a shrinking misadventure with ants (TALES TO ASTONISH #27, 1962), Hank recreates the shrinking formula "weeks later" and becomes the Ant-Man "after long months of grueling work" (TALES TO ASTONISH #35, 1962) in 0 ME. Thus, Hank was age 7 when Angela died, 15 years later he again started imaginative inventions, followed by 2 years working on Grutan before becoming Ant-Man, so he was born by 24 BME.

Janet van Dyne recently had her "23rd birthday" (AVENGERS #43, 1967) in 2 ME, so was born in 21 BME. She would become Wasp (TALES TO ASTONISH #44, 1963) and join the Avengers (AVENGERS #1, 1963) in 1 ME. Cassie Lang was "[almost] a nine-year-old" (MARVEL PREMIERE #47, 1979) in 5 ME, and would be "fifteen" in "June" (YOUNG AVENGERS #2, 2005) when she became Stature in 12 ME, thus born in 3 BME. Scott Lang, when Cassie's "birthday" was "next week," tells Nadia that "Cassie's kind of roughly your age! Kinda!" (ANT-MAN AND THE WASP #1, 2018) in 15 ME. Scott Lang possessed an "electronics technician certificate" (OFFICIAL HANDBOOK OF THE MARVEL UNIVERSE: BOOK OF THE DEAD, 2004), a two year program, plus spent "three years" (OFFICIAL HANDBOOK OF THE MARVEL UNIVERSE: DELUXE EDITION #1, 1985) in prison before he became Ant-Man (MARVEL PREMIERE #47, 1979) in 5 ME, and was the father of Cassie, born in 3 BME, so he was born in 23 BME.

76 BME - Angela Pym born
24 BME - Hank Pym born
23 BME - Scott Lang in born
21 BME - Hank starts inventing, Janet van Dyne born
19 BME - Hank continues inventing
17 BME - Angela dies, Hanks only works on banal inventions
3 BME - Hank earns first doctorate, Cassie Lang born, Scott completes electronics technician certificate
2 BME - Hank weds Maria, Maria kidnapped, Hank works on wondrous inventions, he and Poole start work on Grutan, First line killed
1 BME - Hank and Poole continue work on Grutan, Nadia is born and raised in Red Room
0 ME - Hank fired by Poole, has misadventure, becomes Ant-Man
1 ME - Janet becomes Wasp, Avengers formed
2 ME - Scott goes to prison
5 ME - Scott released from prison becomes Ant-Man
12 ME - Cassie becomes Stature, joins Young Avengers
15 ME - Nadia becomes Wasp

Some people have asked how does the BME/ME (Before Modern Era/Modern Era) convert to real dates. Because Marvel Time keeps sliding forward, attaching a real world date like 2020 or so to it is only good until the end of that specific year. Alternatively you can see events as happening "XX Years Ago." As the Marvel Time is always sliding forward, this is only workable for a few years before it is no longer viable, but for now I have noted below a conversion.

35 BME - 50 Years Ago
34 BME - 49 Years Ago
33 BME - 48 Years Ago
32 BME - 47 Years Ago
31 BME - 46 Years Ago
30 BME - 45 Years Ago
29 BME - 44 Years Ago
28 BME - 43 Years Ago
27 BME - 42 Years Ago
26 BME - 41 Years Ago
25 BME - 40 Years Ago
24 BME - 39 Years Ago
23 BME - 38 Years Ago
22 BME - 37 Years Ago
21 BME - 36 Years Ago
20 BME - 35 Years Ago
19 BME - 34 Years Ago
18 BME - 33 Years Ago
17 BME - 32 Years Ago
16 BME - 31 Years Ago
15 BME - 30 Years Ago
14 BME - 29 Years Ago
13 BME - 28 Years Ago
12 BME - 27 Years Ago
11 BME - 26 Years Ago
10 BME - 25 Years Ago
9 BME - 24 Years Ago
8 BME - 23 Years Ago
7 BME - 22 Years Ago
6 BME - 21 Years Ago
5 BME - 20 Years Ago
4 BME - 19 Years Ago
3 BME - 18 Years Ago
2 BME - 17 Years Ago
1 BME - 16 Years Ago
0 ME - 15 Years Ago
1 ME - 14 Years Ago
2 ME - 13 Years Ago
3 ME - 12 Years Ago
4 ME - 11 Years Ago
5 ME - 10 Years Ago
6 ME - 9 Years Ago
7 ME - 8 Years Ago
8 ME - 7 Years Ago
9 ME - 6 Years Ago
10 ME - 5 Years Ago
11 ME - 4 Years Ago
12 ME - 3 Years Ago
13 ME - 2 Years Ago
14 ME - 1 Year Ago
15 ME - Current Year
16 ME - 1 Year Hence
38 ME - 23 Years Hence (The Days of Future Past)

Your recent post containing Cassie Lang's timeline reminds me of the can of worms that is the chronology of Hulkling and Wiccan. To be teenagers in High School at the same time as Cassie they would also have to be born before 0ME. But for both of them this raises a problem.

Hulkling was conceived at the end of the Kree/Skrull War ~Avengers #94-97 in the middle of 2ME. If we assume a 9 month gestation he would be born early in 3ME. He was in High School in Young Av #1 in early 12ME which would be somewhere around his 9th birthday. I guess we solve this using the alien biology magic wand:- a shorter gestation and very rapid early development, hidden by his Skrull foster-mother moving around a lot.

For Wiccan (and his brother Speed) this is as even more serious problem. They are supposed to be reincarnations of Scarlet Witch's children who 'died' in Av West Coast #52 fairly early in 8ME. Assuming instant reincarnation and normal gestation we might be able to fit their birth at the end of 8ME. But this would make them only 3 in High School in early 12ME! To solve this I'd have to invoke time-travel. These magic-infested kids must be reincarnated many years before the end of the previous lives. (But who knows how reincarnation 'really' works anyway?)

Hulking was send to Earth through a wormhole that made him arrive in the past (confirmed in recent Empyre's stories)

And Wiccan and Speed souls also had traveled back in time befere the reincarnation. I can't remember when I read about it... Maybe Children's Crusade?

The specific issue was Empyre: Aftermath Avengers #1, 2020, where Princess Anelle stated "At a wormhole in the heart of darkest Andromeda, I sent the child and his nanny through space, through time" to Earth. So Hulkling was moved to the past, But I am not yet certain of the aging process of Skrulls and Kree, and a hybrid would definitely complicate matters, but Hulkling was raised believing he was human and experienced the passage of time from his arrival in the past as an infant to adolescence believing he was human, so during that time perhaps approximately 14-18 years have passed (or perhaps not). So a birthdate of around 3 ME but biologically older.

For Wiccan and Speed, they were originally born in around 7 ME in Vision and the Scarlet Witch #12, 1986, and "died" around 8 ME in Avengers West Coast #52, 1989. But as of yet I am not yet certain the exact "how" of their reincarnation works. Were they reincarnated back in time to live new lives, was reality rewritten to accommodate their current existence? Neither is really an impossibility for their mother or Wiccan. Hopefully we will find out soon enough. I am currently looking for any reference to this.

The ages of younger characters are actually one of the cornerstones that I use to construct the core Modern Era timeline. For example, I was pleasantly surprised to find most (but not all) of Franklin Richards age references actually work. The same for Valeria Richards, Kitty Pryde, Power Pack, New Mutants, Generation X and even younger Spider-Man. Others are a bit rougher, such as Billy Connors, whose age references are very inconsistent.

On a related note, when Mephisto changed reality so Peter and Mary Jane were no longer married, did he alter time itself removing their marriage, or did he just "adjust" the current reality, adjusting memories of people and such. So for example, if current Peter were to travel back in time to a few years in the past, would he discover he and MJ were married at that time, or would he find they were not married. Similarly, when Miles Morales was relocated from Reality-1610 to Reality-616 by Molecule Man, did he retroactively rewrite the history of Earth-616 to accommodate the existence of Morales and his family, or was the current reality "adjusted" to allow people to believe Morales has always been there?

Thanks for the update on Hulkling. I totally missed the 'time' bit of Anelle's speech in Empyre: Aftermath Avengers.

I'd like to pick up on the last bit of wolframbane's last post, the part about Miles Morales being transferred to reality-616. Surely Molecule Man and Franklin Richards created a whole new 616-universe at the end of Secret Wars, and it was different from the original either by accident or design. For example Baron Strucker and the Fenris twins are alive in the new universe without explanation. Inserting Miles Morales was just an example known to be deliberate. So the past 616-existence of him and his family and friends are now as real as anyone else's. (Except of course that Miles himself remembers his Ultimate life.)