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Mother Teresa of Calcutta #1 (1984)

Posted: Wed Oct 11, 2017 4:39 pm
by vanhornluke
MOTHER TERESA OF CALCUTTA #1 (1984)
By David Michelinie

APPEARANCES:
Nicholas Bugatti, soldiers, Marty, Mother Teresa/Gonxha Bojaxhiu, Lebanese children, Red Cross workers, Cribbins, Skopje townspeople, Nicola Bojaxhiu, Dronda Bojaxhiu, Catholic priests, horses, Lazar Bojaxhiu, Aga Bojaxhiu, nuns, plane passengers, Indians, dog, Indian soldiers, vultures, Pope Pius Xii (bts), Michael Gomes, Archbishop Perier (bts), Dr. Ahmed, patients, Ann Blaikie, National Council of Catholic Women, Eileen Egan, Missionary Brothers of Charity, Co-Workers, Jawaharlal Nehru, Pope Paul VI, Pope John XXIII, Prince Philip Mountbatten

SYNOPSIS:
Nick Bugatti, reporter, is assigned a story on Mother Teresa’s efforts to save refugees in Beirut. In order to understand her motivations, he researches her entire life history and then visits her in person. Until personally seeing her treat the sick and children, he couldn’t really understand that the reason she has done so much is that she cares.

NOTE:
No one in the audience when Mother Teresa accepts the Nobel Peace Prize is named, but I would bet some more historical figures could be added as being off-panel if one wanted to do the research.


Chronologies:

AHMED, DOCTOR
MTERESA 1-FB

BLAIKIE, ANN
MTERESA 1-FB

BOJAXHIU, AGA
MTERESA 1-FB

BOJAXHIU, DRONDA
MTERESA 1-FB

BOJAXHIU, LAZAR
MTERESA 1-FB

BOJAXHIU, NICOLA
MTERESA 1-FB

BUGATTI, NICHOLAS
MTERESA 1

CRIBBINS
MTERESA 1-FB

EGAN, EILEEN
MTERESA 1-FB

GOMES, MICHAEL
MTERESA 1-FB

MARTY
MTERESA 1

MOTHER TERESA/GONXHA BOJAXHIU
MTERESA 1-FB
MTERESA 1

NEHRU, JAWAHARLAL
MTERESA 1-FB

PERIER, ARCHBISHOP
MTERESA 1-FB-BTS

POPE JOHN XXIII/ANGELO GIUSEPPE RONCALLI
MTERESA 1-FB

*POPE PAUL VI/GIOVANNI BATTISTA ENRICO ANTONIO MARIA MONTINI (add full name)
*MTERESA 1-FB (add)
*{LOPJPII 1-FB} (add brackets)
NAM 11-BTS

POPE PIUS XII/EUGENIO MARIA GIUSUPPE GIOVANNI PACELLI
MTERESA 1-FB-BTS

*PRINCE PHILIP MOUNTBATTEN (add last name)
*MTERESA 1-FB (add)
CB 37
CB 38
CB 39

Re: Mother Teresa of Calcutta #1 (1984)

Posted: Thu Oct 12, 2017 10:50 pm
by lettsmonster
Consulting the FAQ section of the MCP, both Mother Teresa and the Life of Pope John Paul II are already considered "non-canon".

I would consider these two stories to be biographies of individuals on our earth, not Earth 616. I am guessing that is why they are out of continuity.

Re: Mother Teresa of Calcutta #1 (1984)

Posted: Fri Oct 13, 2017 9:52 am
by ShadZ
vanhornluke wrote: Wed Oct 11, 2017 4:39 pm NOTE:
No one in the audience when Mother Teresa accepts the Nobel Peace Prize is named, but I would bet some more historical figures could be added as being off-panel if one wanted to do the research.
Adding people who are behind the scenes at historical events seems like a bad precedent to start...

Shad

Re: Mother Teresa of Calcutta #1 (1984)

Posted: Fri Oct 13, 2017 11:16 am
by loki
ShadZ wrote: Fri Oct 13, 2017 9:52 am Adding people who are behind the scenes at historical events seems like a bad precedent to start...
"Oh, please! If every vampire who said he was at the crucifixion was actually there, it would have been like Woodstock."

Re: Mother Teresa of Calcutta #1 (1984)

Posted: Fri Oct 13, 2017 1:11 pm
by vanhornluke
loki wrote: Fri Oct 13, 2017 11:16 am
ShadZ wrote: Fri Oct 13, 2017 9:52 am Adding people who are behind the scenes at historical events seems like a bad precedent to start...
"Oh, please! If every vampire who said he was at the crucifixion was actually there, it would have been like Woodstock."
:lol:

Honestly, though, I don't see why it would be a bad precedent. A lot of work, maybe, but I don't see what would be "bad" about it, at least if it's characters who also have other appearances. I'm not advocating that this be done, but I don't understand the resistance to it.

Re: Mother Teresa of Calcutta #1 (1984)

Posted: Fri Oct 13, 2017 3:30 pm
by Russ Chappell
loki wrote: Fri Oct 13, 2017 11:16 am "Oh, please! If every vampire who said he was at the crucifixion was actually there, it would have been like Woodstock."
"I was actually at Woodstock. That was a weird gig. I fed off a flowerperson, and I spent the next six hours watchin' my hand move."

Re: Mother Teresa of Calcutta #1 (1984)

Posted: Sat Apr 14, 2018 9:10 pm
by vanhornluke
lettsmonster wrote: Thu Oct 12, 2017 10:50 pm Consulting the FAQ section of the MCP, both Mother Teresa and the Life of Pope John Paul II are already considered "non-canon".

I would consider these two stories to be biographies of individuals on our earth, not Earth 616. I am guessing that is why they are out of continuity.
I don't see any particular reason to consider them non-616. Other straight retellings of historical events from various 40s/50s anthology series are 616, so why not these? Also, marvunapp considers the Pope issue to be 616 on its Hitler page.

Re: Mother Teresa of Calcutta #1 (1984)

Posted: Sat Apr 14, 2018 10:45 pm
by Russ Chappell
vanhornluke wrote: Sat Apr 14, 2018 9:10 pm marvunapp considers the Pope issue to be 616 on its Hitler page.
What's your point?

Re: Mother Teresa of Calcutta #1 (1984)

Posted: Sun Apr 15, 2018 4:13 pm
by vanhornluke
Russ Chappell wrote: Sat Apr 14, 2018 10:45 pm
vanhornluke wrote: Sat Apr 14, 2018 9:10 pm marvunapp considers the Pope issue to be 616 on its Hitler page.
What's your point?
Just that they don't see any reason to not consider it 616, and some of those guys also write for the handbooks. It's not proof that it's 616, but just another example of others well-versed in Marvel continuity that don't see any reason to think it's not 616.

Re: Mother Teresa of Calcutta #1 (1984)

Posted: Sun Apr 15, 2018 7:36 pm
by Russ Chappell
shrug. Some of the guys here write for the handbooks, too. And for the Index.

But both that site and this one are just fan sites. I doubt Marvel looks at either site, to determine what's 616. I don't believe Jeff looks at things over here and says, "Well, that's the way they say it, so we'll say it that way, too." Jeff and his folks read the books and come to their own conclusions. That's the way we do it, too. And it's not absurd that we could come to two different conclusions.

And yes, I know you're not saying that we should judge it "canon" because the UNOFFICIAL appendix says it's canon. But it's just odd to use an unofficial fan site as supporting evidence for your contention of what should appear in a second unofficial fan site.

Let's have a test. You (or anyone) could as easily go to the appendix and say, "You shouldn't treat Mother Teresa of Calcutta as canon/616, because the Marvel Chronology Project (created by guys who work on the index, and are well-versed in Marvel continuity) says that they don't see any reason to think it's 616." See what kind of response you get. See if it's not something like what I've said here.

Re: Mother Teresa of Calcutta #1 (1984)

Posted: Mon Apr 16, 2018 11:39 am
by vanhornluke
I was just pointing out some other well-informed people who agree with me, for whatever that's worth (which may not be much). Just out of curiosity, what is the reasoning for MCP excluding The Life of Pope John Paul II #1 and Mother Teresa of Calcutta #1?

Re: Mother Teresa of Calcutta #1 (1984)

Posted: Mon Apr 16, 2018 6:28 pm
by Russ Chappell
616 stories are intended to be fiction. These two books are intended to be factual.

Re: Mother Teresa of Calcutta #1 (1984)

Posted: Tue Apr 17, 2018 5:44 am
by loki
Russ Chappell wrote: Mon Apr 16, 2018 6:28 pm 616 stories are intended to be fiction. These two books are intended to be factual.
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Re: Mother Teresa of Calcutta #1 (1984)

Posted: Tue Apr 17, 2018 12:24 pm
by vanhornluke
Russ Chappell wrote: Mon Apr 16, 2018 6:28 pm 616 stories are intended to be fiction. These two books are intended to be factual.
But there are plenty of factual retellings of historical events and persons in the 40s/50s anthologies that are still considered 616.

Re: Mother Teresa of Calcutta #1 (1984)

Posted: Tue Apr 17, 2018 3:47 pm
by Russ Chappell
vanhornluke wrote: Tue Apr 17, 2018 12:24 pm But there are plenty of factual retellings of historical events
?